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3years afk whats a good lvl 4 ship gal space
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th1ngone
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-09-21 04:58:46 UTC
before I left I was using raven/domi/ishtar/tengu to do lvl4 . but I hear they have nerfed alot so what are the current hot list of ships to do lvl4 in highsec?
Thomas Lot
London Elektricity
#2 - 2016-09-21 12:51:10 UTC
Tengu HAM, Cap Stable with Active Shield Boosters (800-1000 EHP/sec rep) can have very close to 900 applied dps at 25km range. This is still a viable option for both full mission running and blitz.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#3 - 2016-09-21 13:03:12 UTC
Going to disagree with the previous poster to a degree.
Tengu can still be used in level 4 missions but they have been outclassed in all possible roles by other ships.
For Blitz the Machariel is a significantly better choice.
For full clear and loot/salvage style the Marauders are the best options, of these the Golem (missiles or torps) and the Vargur (usually auto canon) are generally preferred.
For general mission use the Rattlesnake is hard to beat.

Personal preferences will affect your ship choice as well.
Do you like to snipe from long range or get in close and punch them in the face.
Do you want to mission for max ISK / LP or simply to experiment with things.
Thomas Lot
London Elektricity
#4 - 2016-09-21 15:30:27 UTC
Never said that the Tengu was a BEST option. The OP stated that he had used the Tengu before and I was simply pointing out that the Tengu is still viable for all LvL 4 mission running by simply adjusting the resist/damage application profile for the specific mission.

Donnachadh is absolutely correct in the assessment of better ships for either blitzing, or overall superiority.
Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-09-21 17:18:48 UTC
You want a hotlist for running l4 :
-Garmur, Daredevil ,Wolf,Hawk and machariel in between.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#6 - 2016-09-22 01:22:04 UTC
I like the Kronos myself.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
th1ngone
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-09-22 01:48:12 UTC  |  Edited by: th1ngone
i like to have drones from another char assist tengu takes aggro leaves drones alone ham or heavy depending on mood is this possible theses days? little effort i can do lvl 4 in like 10min 1600 dps or so this was there years ago so dont quote me
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2016-09-22 02:17:49 UTC
th1ngone wrote:
i like to have drones from another char assist tengu takes aggro leaves drones alone ham or heavy depending on mood is this possible theses days? little effort i can do lvl 4 in like 10min 1600 dps or so this was there years ago so dont quote me

NPCs love targeting drones now.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-09-22 04:21:47 UTC
Welcome back from your 3 years of afk.

Hope you stay here even longer.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2016-09-22 14:16:47 UTC
Thomas Lot wrote:
Never said that the Tengu was a BEST option. The OP stated that he had used the Tengu before and I was simply pointing out that the Tengu is still viable for all LvL 4 mission running by simply adjusting the resist/damage application profile for the specific mission.[/.quote]
Apologies, I misread your post. You in fact did not state the Tengu was best.


[quote=th1ngone]i like to have drones from another char assist tengu takes aggro leaves drones alone ham or heavy depending on mood is this possible theses days? little effort i can do lvl 4 in like 10min 1600 dps or so this was there years ago so dont quote me

How long since you ran missions on a consistent basis?
CCP change the rat AI quite some time ago and there is no such thing as a ship that takes the agro while othes wonder around the pocket and shoot at whatever. With the current AI the rats change targets fairly consistently and they have a decided preference for shooting drones. Using EWAR can help to mitigate this but it will not eliminate it.
voetius
Grundrisse
#11 - 2016-09-22 20:49:03 UTC  |  Edited by: voetius
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I like the Kronos myself.


Kronos is very good.

HAM Tengu still works fine, a friend of mine used to run one with about 900 dps but I've never really liked the T3 cruisers myself.

Most of the other ships mentioned are common choices, like the Mach and Rattler, I prefer marauders and typhoons / TFIs but I don't worry too much about having the FOTM, I just use what I like even if it's not the min-maxers preferred option.

Edit : typo
Garrett Osinov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-09-24 07:49:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Garrett Osinov
Thomas Lot wrote:
Tengu HAM, Cap Stable with Active Shield Boosters (800-1000 EHP/sec rep) can have very close to 900 applied dps at 25km range. This is still a viable option for both full mission running and blitz.


I have 34k range with hams, 1020 dps and 1500k dps tank. Actualy for Serpentis it is possible to have even more range.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-09-26 00:26:39 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Thomas Lot wrote:
Never said that the Tengu was a BEST option. The OP stated that he had used the Tengu before and I was simply pointing out that the Tengu is still viable for all LvL 4 mission running by simply adjusting the resist/damage application profile for the specific mission.[/.quote]
Apologies, I misread your post. You in fact did not state the Tengu was best.


[quote=th1ngone]i like to have drones from another char assist tengu takes aggro leaves drones alone ham or heavy depending on mood is this possible theses days? little effort i can do lvl 4 in like 10min 1600 dps or so this was there years ago so dont quote me

How long since you ran missions on a consistent basis?
CCP change the rat AI quite some time ago and there is no such thing as a ship that takes the agro while othes wonder around the pocket and shoot at whatever. With the current AI the rats change targets fairly consistently and they have a decided preference for shooting drones. Using EWAR can help to mitigate this but it will not eliminate it.

To the best of my knowledge I don't think anything has changed since CCP's NPC AI adjustment. Granted NPC's will switch to new target that appears on grid. Not sure but I believe they will first target ships doing Logistics and Ewar. .

Anyway, last I checked this is how NPC's would react towards Drones :

Small Hull Class NPC's target Small Class Drones and larger.
Medium Hull Class NPC's target Medium Class Drones and larger.
Large Hull Class NPC's target Large Class Drones and larger.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#14 - 2016-09-29 18:59:21 UTC
Thomas Lot wrote:
Never said that the Tengu was a BEST option. The OP stated that he had used the Tengu before and I was simply pointing out that the Tengu is still viable for all LvL 4 mission running by simply adjusting the resist/damage application profile for the specific mission.

Donnachadh is absolutely correct in the assessment of better ships for either blitzing, or overall superiority.


HAM tengu is never a good choice in missions. I never changed my fit and it still works the same apart from the range nerf to HML's, which if you adapted your fit could be overcome.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#15 - 2016-09-29 19:01:15 UTC
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Thomas Lot wrote:
Tengu HAM, Cap Stable with Active Shield Boosters (800-1000 EHP/sec rep) can have very close to 900 applied dps at 25km range. This is still a viable option for both full mission running and blitz.


I have 34k range with hams, 1020 dps and 1500k dps tank. Actualy for Serpentis it is possible to have even more range.


would love to see this fit...
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#16 - 2016-09-29 19:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ploing
aldhura wrote:

would love to see this fit...


me is not garret but something similar like this one

[Tengu, HAM]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

personally i would preffer 2-3 tp

e: has 60 km with javs
Garrett Osinov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-10-01 19:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Garrett Osinov
aldhura wrote:
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Thomas Lot wrote:
Tengu HAM, Cap Stable with Active Shield Boosters (800-1000 EHP/sec rep) can have very close to 900 applied dps at 25km range. This is still a viable option for both full mission running and blitz.


I have 34k range with hams, 1020 dps and 1500k dps tank. Actualy for Serpentis it is possible to have even more range.


would love to see this fit...


I use it for 10/10 angels plexes, with this fit it has 43.6k range with rages and 1044 DPS.

[Tengu, 10/10 angel ]

Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir


High-grade Crystal Alpha
High-grade Crystal Beta
High-grade Crystal Gamma
High-grade Crystal Delta
High-grade Crystal Epsilon
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-604
Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Assault Missiles AM-705
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-805
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005

Against Serpentis drop invuls and change them to kinetic / thermal hardeners and remove CCC rig and fit Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I. With Crystals it will tank 1700++ DPS if you decide to stand still. By using AB you can mitigate a lot of DPS.

TBH against serpentis you don't need crystalls and you can make you fit way cheaper.

[Tengu, Hams Serpentis]

Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir


High-grade Crystal Alpha
High-grade Crystal Beta
High-grade Crystal Gamma
High-grade Crystal Delta
High-grade Crystal Epsilon
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-604
Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Assault Missiles AM-705
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-805
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005