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Death By A Million Cuts

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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2016-12-02 15:41:19 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Gunhilda Vuld wrote:
You seem to have a creeper's beef with this pilot. She swipe left on you or something?

He's not the first. I didn't sign on for an extended stay in the Empire because it was going to make me popular.

(I was in love, though. Just, not with the Praefecta. I might still be. It's been a while since I got to explore those feelings much.)

Some people are joining the Empire because they are in love with the God.
And the God loves us all!

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Matar Ronin
#162 - 2016-12-02 16:03:18 UTC
I wish kim would house break her pet sock puppet before allowing her to wander into threads.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#163 - 2016-12-02 17:50:30 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Thank you, sir.

Now-- you don't seem to understand why this is a problem, so let's break it down.

What is true if I believe you?

Well-- if what you say is true, the Praefecta's been lying to me-- treating me as though I were a useful person so that she can try to save my soul.

If what you say is true, my presence is in fact harming her-- the opposite of my purpose here: loyalty unto death (or one month's written notice). I'm supposed to literally give my life for her if need be, and you're saying the thing threatening her, is me. That's a horrifying idea. It hurts even to think about.

Neither of those, though, tends to make me even a little bit able to believe in a god I don't believe in. If anything, it would crack my self-confidence and -worth. I am, or have a capacity to be, a little dark; I'm aware of that. It's a useful capacity. The Praefecta isn't a naive person, but she doesn't normally think in very ruthless ways. I can think in ways she never would. If I'm hurting the Praefecta by being near her, though....

If that were true, I should resign. Maybe I'd return to traveling or doing mercenary work. Or maybe I'd conclude that if I can harm someone as strong as the Praefecta, there's no positive use left for me in this world-- that I really am a burden. If I decided that were so, the proper approach is to end myself. The Praefecta would presumably try to stop me, but, in this scenario, she's been deceiving me to keep me around, continuing to harm her. So, there's no way I should listen.

This is a scenario out of a nightmare, sir. It presses on my fears and doubts. It doesn't have to be remotely true to be upsetting.

And there's no way me believing you ends in me converting to your faith. I'd literally kill myself first-- not because I don't want to be Amarr, but because I don't believe. ... and I won't lie to you all just to make things a little easier.

If I'm someone who is hurting the people I care about most because I don't believe, that doesn't mean I will be able to just change what I believe. But, to me, it does mean I'm a terrible, harmful person who should disappear.

That is what you're saying to me, sir.

It's a little upsetting.

Ok, thank you for your extensive answer.

An ideal scenario that didn't come to fruition is not necessary a lie or based on one, so it is doubtful there were any lying involved.

It would be a bitter pill to swallow Ms Jenneth, but before you said that Praefecta is free to dismiss you, truth is she is not and you should understand this and keep in mind all the consequences and responsibilities it entails if you truly care about her. So if you will be certain (indisputably certain in it) that you are hurting her then breaking of your bond should come from you and not from her.
I am sorry if it upsets you or even hurts to think about, but if you care for the person you serve you should keep it in mind.

Probably the last question I would ask of you. How did you deal with fears and doubts all your life if it hurts even to think about them, this ones couldn't be the first?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#164 - 2016-12-02 19:49:37 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
I am sorry if it upsets you or even hurts to think about, but if you care for the person you serve you should keep it in mind.

Probably the last question I would ask of you. How did you deal with fears and doubts all your life if it hurts even to think about them, this ones couldn't be the first?

I will. Thank you, sir.

About hard questions, sir, actually I mostly just think about them anyway. Endlessly. I'm introspective to a probably pretty considerable fault. I ruminate, muse, consider, think over, and (inevitably) overthink. It doesn't help that there aren't a lot of places my mind actually won't go. It might be that I like new people and places so much, and tasks to put my mind to and puzzle out, because it gives me less time alone with myself.

One thing that helps is being okay with ambiguity. My faith doesn't offer a lot of comforting answers; mostly it just fully recognizes the difficulty of coming to concrete conclusions and validates the uncertainty while giving a little guidance on productive modes of thought and action.

If I weren't okay with failing to reach conclusions, I think I'd drive myself a little crazy.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#165 - 2016-12-02 20:45:56 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
I wish kim would house break her pet sock puppet before allowing her to wander into threads.

Little coward, why you dared to talk about me again?

I still haven't seen you neither in space, nor person. Thus be so kind and go break your own socks (I don't know how often minmatars wash their socks, but if they consider socks are breakable - probably not often enough)

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#166 - 2016-12-02 20:49:44 UTC
Because you haven't given him a reason to stop...
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#167 - 2016-12-02 20:52:33 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
I wish kim would house break her pet sock puppet before allowing her to wander into threads.

Little coward, why you dared to talk about me again?

I still haven't seen you neither in space, nor person. Thus be so kind and go break your own socks (I don't know how often minmatars wash their socks, but if they consider socks are breakable - probably not often enough)

*sigh*

... cultural issues ...

"House break" - teach a pet not to piddle on the floor.

"Sock puppet" - a puppet made out of a sock, usually stuck onto the puppeteer's hand and used to entertain children.

Both are being used metaphorically here, Ms. Kim.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#168 - 2016-12-02 20:57:10 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
I wish kim would house break her pet sock puppet before allowing her to wander into threads.

Little coward, why you dared to talk about me again?

I still haven't seen you neither in space, nor person. Thus be so kind and go break your own socks (I don't know how often minmatars wash their socks, but if they consider socks are breakable - probably not often enough)

*sigh*

... cultural issues ...

"House break" - teach a pet not to piddle on the floor.

"Sock puppet" - a puppet made out of a sock, usually stuck onto the puppeteer's hand and used to entertain children.

Both are being used metaphorically here, Ms. Kim.

Well... probably it is so, Ms. Jenneth. But since his call to me was that random, I'll leave it as is. At least my reply is way less random.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Matar Ronin
#169 - 2016-12-02 23:50:35 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
I wish kim would house break her pet sock puppet before allowing her to wander into threads.

Little coward, why you dared to talk about me again?

I still haven't seen you neither in space, nor person. Thus be so kind and go break your own socks (I don't know how often minmatars wash their socks, but if they consider socks are breakable - probably not often enough)

*sigh*

... cultural issues ...

"House break" - teach a pet not to piddle on the floor.

"Sock puppet" - a puppet made out of a sock, usually stuck onto the puppeteer's hand and used to entertain children.

Both are being used metaphorically here, Ms. Kim.

Well... probably it is so, Ms. Jenneth. But since his call to me was that random, I'll leave it as is. At least my reply is way less random.
kim being specifically wrong is something you are known far and wide for.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#170 - 2016-12-03 00:04:54 UTC
And, we're back to the nonsense.


Emergency New Topic (since this thread will keep going whether anything interesting is being said or not):

Surviving families!

I seem to remember from somewhere that a very high proportion of capsuleers are orphans (I'm one). I've got a couple ideas why that might be (and actually I don't remember where I learned it which means it's probably something my predecessor knew). I'd be interested to get even a really unscientific idea of how many of us were missing both parents, and how many had no surviving family at all, when we entered training.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#171 - 2016-12-03 00:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
I wasn't orphaned per say, but my parents died when I was a teenager. I wouldn't say I was orphaned however because my brother and I were pretty much independent for years prior to that. They both worked and we were all over the republic moving for their work and we only saw them on holidays or before bed and when we woke up. I have plenty of surviving family on Eram II though I honestly haven't seen or talked to any of them since I was like five. Hard to call yourself orphaned when you turned out fine on your own.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#172 - 2016-12-03 00:25:56 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
I wasn't orphaned per say, but my parents died when I was a teenager. I wouldn't say I was orphaned however because my brother and I were pretty much independent for years prior to that. They both worked and we were all over the republic moving for their work and we only saw them on holidays or before bed and when we woke up. I have plenty of surviving family on Eram II though I honestly haven't seen or talked to any of them since I was like five. Hard to call yourself orphaned when you turned out fine on your own.

Uh ... with much respect, Ms. Vess, that really kind of sounds like the sort of thing an orphan would say.

Being largely self-reliant and "turning out fine on your own" seems like kind of the classic positive outcome.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#173 - 2016-12-03 00:31:37 UTC
My parents survived well into my capsuleer years.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#174 - 2016-12-03 00:31:45 UTC
Would turning out fine be any different if they were there on my graduation day? If they even showed up? Doubtful. The company I worked for got me on track, they are what created this little monster you see before you. If anything I'm stronger because of it all.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#175 - 2016-12-03 00:34:18 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Would turning out fine be any different if they were there on my graduation day? If they even showed up? Doubtful. The company I worked for got me on track, they are what created this little monster you see before you. If anything I'm stronger because of it all.

... you do get that I'm agreeing with you, Ms. Vess? I'm more kind of saying it sounds like you ended up an, uh, honorary orphan? well before it became fact.

I apologize if that's an awful thing to say.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2016-12-03 00:34:52 UTC
My parents are still alive.

Unfortunately, in my father's case.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#177 - 2016-12-03 00:37:14 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Would turning out fine be any different if they were there on my graduation day? If they even showed up? Doubtful. The company I worked for got me on track, they are what created this little monster you see before you. If anything I'm stronger because of it all.

... you do get that I'm agreeing with you, Ms. Vess? I'm more kind of saying it sounds like you ended up an, uh, honorary orphan? well before it became fact.

I apologize if that's an awful thing to say.

Oh, sorry for misreading that. I guess that's a good way to put it.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#178 - 2016-12-03 00:39:51 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Would turning out fine be any different if they were there on my graduation day? If they even showed up? Doubtful. The company I worked for got me on track, they are what created this little monster you see before you. If anything I'm stronger because of it all.

... you do get that I'm agreeing with you, Ms. Vess? I'm more kind of saying it sounds like you ended up an, uh, honorary orphan? well before it became fact.

I apologize if that's an awful thing to say.

Oh, sorry for misreading that. I guess that's a good way to put it.

Yeah, I was a little unclear. Sorry about that.
Jev North
Doomheim
#179 - 2016-12-03 00:44:15 UTC
My parents are still alive -- just very disappointed.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Matar Ronin
#180 - 2016-12-03 00:45:44 UTC
Jev North wrote:
My parents are still alive -- just very disappointed.
You or them?

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.