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The pointlessness of corps requesting full APIs
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Aaron Kabashiz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2016-09-21 15:25:46 UTC
Lacori wrote:
Aaron Kabashiz wrote:
To OP, remeber that API can be deleted and made new.
As soon as a Corp ask you for full API and you give it to them they will check. After check just delete it and create a new one, they will never know what you do after you gave it.

Hope I explained, not english speaker here.


Clearly you don't have the same experience as I.

Here is the exact corp mandate from a corp I joined (for about five minutes).

Quote:
1) snip


I especially like the last one. Have fun, with whatever privacy we've left you with.

This was a 30 man corp. When I logged, only 5 had been online within the last month. Only I was online, four of the five times I logged in. The one time I did log when someone else was on, there was only one other toon who had joined the day after me. I waved. He said nothing.


Jeez, sure I wouldn't join a corp like that, we just check for skills and if bought or not and other few things, just few days ago a guy joined and his char was bought, he told us in advance so no problem.

But we are a small indy corp, we don't need all that security :)
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#102 - 2016-09-21 15:46:24 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Toobo wrote:
Think of it this way - what would you do if you were the leader of corp/alliance that owns hundreds of billions (or even trillions) of assets in space and in corp hangars. What would you do if a single high level traitor can lead your super cap and titan fleet to a certain death trap.

I don't like API thing eiher, but paranoia is easily understandable. Likr I said in previous post, in my corp anyone who has a role that can hurt the corp is a RL friend whom we can gank IRL if sh*ts go wrong.

Disclaimer: we never violenced anyone IRL because of in game stuff. Saying this just so we don't get reported lol.


Never trust anyone in Eve you can't kick in the nuts in real life.

Some of the most trustworthy players I know in the game don't have any nuts to kick. They're awesome people though.


If you're talking about some castrated people that play Eve well then i guess so but let me say getting hooved in the front butt aint exactly the best feeling either. Shocked

@lunettelulu7
Lacori
Doomheim
#103 - 2016-09-21 15:57:59 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
3 more weeks to go.




Naturally you're making me CEO, right?
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#104 - 2016-09-21 16:05:45 UTC
Lacori wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
3 more weeks to go.




Naturally you're making me CEO, right?

You never know - but the other member was actually here before you, so they have seniority... Blink

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Lacori
Doomheim
#105 - 2016-09-21 17:02:30 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Lacori wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
3 more weeks to go.




Naturally you're making me CEO, right?

You never know - but the other member was actually here before you, so they have seniority... Blink



Ah thanks, but I was kidding. Nah this fella's heading for the great Biomass in the sky, sadly. He's done his thing and now can't continue to preclude my main from corp access. Shame really, but such is the nature of the whole API thing.

I wish you luck in whatever you do after Eve. Hope you can still post as an Alpha Lol
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2016-09-21 17:05:23 UTC
Lacori wrote:
Hope you can still post as an Alpha Lol


hope not...

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#107 - 2016-09-21 17:26:07 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Lacori wrote:
Hope you can still post as an Alpha Lol


hope not...


Their shitposts will blot out the mods.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#108 - 2016-09-21 17:33:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Lacori wrote:
Hope you can still post as an Alpha Lol


hope not...


Their shitposts will blot out the mods.

Even if I can it won't be until November, so at least you'll get a month without me P

I dunno if I'll even come back to check in all honesty though - we'll see what other games/forums I find Bear

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#109 - 2016-09-21 18:05:42 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
The pointlessness of crying about giving out full API keys

Exactly - so send yours over P


i have no qualms in giving my full API out, but i didn't say i'll give it for free. Smile

Just Add Water
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#110 - 2016-09-22 00:22:09 UTC
I refuse to give a full API unless the person asking me gives me theirs to show trust between us. That is why I am not with any merc corporation or nullsec entity.
Serene Repose
#111 - 2016-09-22 06:59:13 UTC
Forgive them for they assuredly know not what they do...are...and are talking about. Blessed be the ones who talk anyway....

...three names leap to mind. I'm sure you've seen them enough. Digital nailbiting at its finest.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
#112 - 2016-09-22 09:57:52 UTC
Lacori wrote:
Aaron Kabashiz wrote:
To OP, remeber that API can be deleted and made new.
As soon as a Corp ask you for full API and you give it to them they will check. After check just delete it and create a new one, they will never know what you do after you gave it.

Hope I explained, not english speaker here.


Clearly you don't have the same experience as I.

Here is the exact corp mandate from a corp I joined (for about five minutes).

Quote:
1) Full APIs will be disclosed to the Recruiter. Do not disclose your API to anyone other than corpmembers who bear the title 'Recruiter'. Any will suffice for this purpose.

2) By Full API, we mean FULL ACCOUNT APIs, with EVERY highlightable field CHECKED in EVERY CATEGORY for EVERY CHARACTER on the account. Your details will be checked and if a SINGLE field has not been checked, your application will be rejected.

3) We will then study your API for a period of no more than three days, assessing your skills, financial situation and communication and/or trades with other players. If you have gives ISK or created contracts with other players, we will need details about them also. Failure to divulge this information will result in your application being rejected.

4) If you run more than one account we will require the FULL ACCOUNT APIs on ALL of these accounts, to see how you interact with the characters on these accounts. If you fail to divulge this information and we subsequently discover that you are using multiple accounts, be it by a conversation, contract or direct trade, your corp membership will be IMMEDIATELY terminated. If you have roles at this point, the roles will be IMMEDIATELY terminated and you will be dismissed from the corp at the very earliest opportunity.

5) Your API credentials will be checked on a DAILY basis by a rota of moderators. We check every member and if we fail to get access to the API of any particular character your corp membership will be REVOKED INSTANTLY, without explanation.

6) We require your IP address so we can check for nefarious behaviour on systems that run outside of the game client, such as Mumble, Jabber, Teamspeak, Discord and other third-party voice communication software. If you are knowingly aware at any point that your IP address has changed, please inform us at the earliest opportunity.

7) We require details of ALL profiles used on forums pertaining to Eve Online, excluding your own personal social media accounts and forum profiles not affiliated with Eve Online.

8) Teamspeak is mandatory. We expect you to log in to it simultaneously when you run your Eve Online client. If you are found to be running your Eve client without running your TS client within five minutes of logging, one of our corp moderators will initiate a conversation with you. Similarly we ask that you do not run your TS client without running Eve also.

9) Fly safe and have fun :) We are always here to help


I especially like the last one. Have fun, with whatever privacy we've left you with.

This was a 30 man corp. When I logged, only 5 had been online within the last month. Only I was online, four of the five times I logged in. The one time I did log when someone else was on, there was only one other toon who had joined the day after me. I waved. He said nothing.


This is hilarious, name and shame please
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2016-09-22 10:15:38 UTC
Lacori wrote:

Quote:
1) Full APIs will be disclosed to the Recruiter. Do not disclose your API to anyone other than corpmembers who bear the title 'Recruiter'. Any will suffice for this purpose.

2) By Full API, we mean FULL ACCOUNT APIs, with EVERY highlightable field CHECKED in EVERY CATEGORY for EVERY CHARACTER on the account. Your details will be checked and if a SINGLE field has not been checked, your application will be rejected.

3) We will then study your API for a period of no more than three days, assessing your skills, financial situation and communication and/or trades with other players. If you have gives ISK or created contracts with other players, we will need details about them also. Failure to divulge this information will result in your application being rejected.

4) If you run more than one account we will require the FULL ACCOUNT APIs on ALL of these accounts, to see how you interact with the characters on these accounts. If you fail to divulge this information and we subsequently discover that you are using multiple accounts, be it by a conversation, contract or direct trade, your corp membership will be IMMEDIATELY terminated. If you have roles at this point, the roles will be IMMEDIATELY terminated and you will be dismissed from the corp at the very earliest opportunity.

5) Your API credentials will be checked on a DAILY basis by a rota of moderators. We check every member and if we fail to get access to the API of any particular character your corp membership will be REVOKED INSTANTLY, without explanation.

6) We require your IP address so we can check for nefarious behaviour on systems that run outside of the game client, such as Mumble, Jabber, Teamspeak, Discord and other third-party voice communication software. If you are knowingly aware at any point that your IP address has changed, please inform us at the earliest opportunity.

7) We require details of ALL profiles used on forums pertaining to Eve Online, excluding your own personal social media accounts and forum profiles not affiliated with Eve Online.

8) Teamspeak is mandatory. We expect you to log in to it simultaneously when you run your Eve Online client. If you are found to be running your Eve client without running your TS client within five minutes of logging, one of our corp moderators will initiate a conversation with you. Similarly we ask that you do not run your TS client without running Eve also.

9) Fly safe and have fun :) We are always here to help



Let's see.
1) Sure, whatever.
2) No ****. Though I would be tempted to leave a random field unchecked just to see if they actually pay attention.
3) How am I supposed to give you information on the random newbro I gave ISK to because I wanted to help a brother out?
4) No, **** off.
5) LOLOL. Remind me never to apply for that job.
6) No, **** off.
7) No, **** off.
8) And I ask that you **** off.
9) I will have fun. Without your corp.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#114 - 2016-09-22 10:40:17 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's because it puts in a minimum level of effort to awox a corp. Like you say, if you're going to to it you'd probably just make another account and skill up an alt. Without an API key you just join with whatever old character and go awox crazy, but with API checks you have to create a new character, fund him without trading or transferring isk, then use him to awox. It's not a magic bullet, but used with other forms of security it means that someone who decides to awox you has to really want to do it.


And with the api it is a trivial matter to verify that the application is not an alpha

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#115 - 2016-09-22 10:49:52 UTC
Soon they'll ask for social security numbers and credit card info lol😒

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#116 - 2016-09-22 10:55:10 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Lan & Others - My initial post demanding your API keys was clearly sarcastic, not serious.

If anyone was dumb enough to actually send me their API key in response to it I'd have been shocked.

Since you started yelling at me over it - yes, I've been trolling you. It is a bad habit I know, but I couldn't resist P

However since the conversation is literally just going in circles now and your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, just figured I'd explicitly clue you in...



As for posting on my main - Go **** yourself. I don't give away free intel to anybody, and I really do enjoy watching how much it bothers you. Deal with it or get off the forums until my account expires. 3 more weeks to go.


edit: Oh - and "people like you" means people who get all bothered and upset by people posting on alts. I enjoy watching you squirm and cry. Yes, I'm probably a bad person. Oh well. P



Free Intel Roll

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#117 - 2016-09-22 12:04:41 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Forgive them for they assuredly know not what they do...are...and are talking about. Blessed be the ones who talk anyway....

...three names leap to mind. I'm sure you've seen them enough. Digital nailbiting at its finest.

3 names eh?

Does that mean your character has a middle name we don't know about?

Because, once again, you feel the irresistible urge to submit a post that literally says *nothing at all* - just so you can pretend you are smart or relevant...while complaining about people doing exactly that.

You are still the biggest hypocrite in all of EVE.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#118 - 2016-09-22 12:20:11 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Lan & Others - My initial post demanding your API keys was clearly sarcastic, not serious.

If anyone was dumb enough to actually send me their API key in response to it I'd have been shocked.

Since you started yelling at me over it - yes, I've been trolling you. It is a bad habit I know, but I couldn't resist P

However since the conversation is literally just going in circles now and your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, just figured I'd explicitly clue you in...



As for posting on my main - Go **** yourself. I don't give away free intel to anybody, and I really do enjoy watching how much it bothers you. Deal with it or get off the forums until my account expires. 3 more weeks to go.


edit: Oh - and "people like you" means people who get all bothered and upset by people posting on alts. I enjoy watching you squirm and cry. Yes, I'm probably a bad person. Oh well. P



Free Intel Roll

Lol, OK, maybe a little P

But to be fair it isn't very useful in finding out who I am... And you don't even know if it is true or not Shocked

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#119 - 2016-09-22 12:40:00 UTC
I think you grossly overestimate how much people care. I have taken no trouble whatsoever to avoid antagonizing people with my opinions for a decade on these forums, and have never been troubled in turn. Quite the reverse.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#120 - 2016-09-22 13:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Malcanis wrote:
I think you grossly overestimate how much people care. I have taken no trouble whatsoever to avoid antagonizing people with my opinions for a decade on these forums, and have never been troubled in turn. Quite the reverse.

So...your problem with me...is that I'm not offensive *enough* to people, and I post things to *stop* antagonizing them?


edit:
TBH I think you are the one who grossly overestimates how seriously I take the forums... I mean I do post my honest opinions, even when they are controversial - and I make an effort not to slip into just pure trolling... But I also throw in a lot of scarcasm/humour that seems to wiz right past many of your heads. Now, I'm not saying it goes *over* all your heads (which would imply I'm smarter/more sophisticated than you) - for many of you it probably flies past to the side simply because I have an odd sense of humour... But regardless I know the people who *do* understand my sense of humour (and yes, there are a fair few of them around here) are a lot happier than the rest of you who take everything so super seriously and get butt-hurt over everything...

For **** sake guys - it is an *internet forum* about a *video game*. It isn't even the video game itself... But some of you get so worked up over the dumbest little issues that one would think you take things said here more seriously than the game itself...or even than RL itself...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)