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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#81 - 2016-09-20 06:56:58 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Elite Harvester wrote:
Hendrix Foster wrote:
How about safe log-out, then lie and waffle to keep the conversation going for 30 secs..........gone. I'm guessing that it still works unless something has changed.

How about target lock? Blink

^^^ This I would like to know too- does a target lock prevent safelog?

Yes

Evil RatKid
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#82 - 2016-09-20 07:11:29 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
EVE was growing at its fastest rate when ganking was a lot cheaper, easier to do and had fewer penalties. Ironically the high level of nerfs made to ganking over the years has resulted in more indiscriminate ganking simply because targeted ganks for profit vs miners is no longer possible. So we moved from gankers targeting idiots who made themselves profitable to gank to targeting everyone try try and get extortion money out of them.



History revisionist at work. Yes, blame it all on CCP.

More like players acting like spoiled brats and crying because CCP decided emergent behavior was going beyond their design intentions so the players decided to punish anyone who didn't share their view on desired gameplay.

I was there and heard all the arguments and the plans to get back at those who dared to play Eve by different rules. Many were bored becase Null got stagnate so they went to Hi Sec to force the Carebears in their desired gameplay since they wouldn't come out to Null and play.

Those who are complaining about CCP making it harder for gankers only have themselves to blame, and the way things are going, CCP may even make it far more difficult, because the net effect has been a reduction in players overall.

You say that CCP's ganking nerfs have driven players away, that may be true to some extent, but...

I say that the gankers themselves have driven vastly more players away by their war against the Carebear playstyle.

And No, I'm not a Carebear, my main has a 96% dangerous on Zkill and have spent 80% of my 10 yrs in either Null Sec or Low Sec.



Your main that isn't present, so we have no idea who your talking about, and ninty blah blah blah
That rating means not a damn thing.
Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2016-09-20 07:13:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrix Foster
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Elite Harvester wrote:
Hendrix Foster wrote:
How about safe log-out, then lie and waffle to keep the conversation going for 30 secs..........gone. I'm guessing that it still works unless something has changed.

How about target lock? Blink

^^^ This I would like to know too- does a target lock prevent safelog?

Yes


OK....if that's true then as soon as you target lock them then the clock is also ticking for Concord to show up. So, in doing so, I'm correct to surmise that a ransom is no long possible and a gank is the only option so whoever is ganking has to move fast..... i.e the gauntlet is thrown down.

I suppose the trick is to waffle to the ship in convo long enough to wind down the 30 secs without them giving up on the ransome idea and deciding to just gank you.

I also have often heard that the bumping ship is not always the ganking one and the inexpensive ganking ships are waiting nearby to warp in to do the job if said victim refuses to play with a ransome demand.

I'm guessing then that some ships are better suited to bumping than others....like a Stabber as opposed to a Catalyst.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#84 - 2016-09-20 07:13:43 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Elite Harvester wrote:
Hendrix Foster wrote:
How about safe log-out, then lie and waffle to keep the conversation going for 30 secs..........gone. I'm guessing that it still works unless something has changed.

How about target lock? Blink

^^^ This I would like to know too- does a target lock prevent safelog?

Yes


It is my opinion that this restriction should be removed from safe log out, the only thing it is used for is hisec ganking and is another of the mechanics that make hisec ganking so easy.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#85 - 2016-09-20 07:16:52 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Elite Harvester wrote:
Hendrix Foster wrote:
How about safe log-out, then lie and waffle to keep the conversation going for 30 secs..........gone. I'm guessing that it still works unless something has changed.

How about target lock? Blink

^^^ This I would like to know too- does a target lock prevent safelog?

Yes


OK....if that's true then as soon as you target lock them then the clock is also ticking for Concord to show up. So, in doing so, I'm correct to surmise that a randsom is no long possible and a gank is the only option so whoever is ganking has to move fast..... i.e the gauntlet is thrown down.

I suppose the trick is to waffle to the ship in convo long enough to wind down the 30 secs without them giving up on the ransome idea and deciding to just gank you.

I also have often heard that the bumping ship is not always the ganking one and the inexpensive ganking ships are waiting nearby to warp in to do the job if said victim refuses to play with a ransome demand.

I'm guessing then that some ships are better suited to bumping than others....like a Stabber as opposed to a Catalyst.


You can target lock people but that is not aggression, it is using an offensive modules such as guns or a point that is aggression and causes CONCORD to spawn, merely locking someone has no affect, which is why target lock should be removed from safe log off because either you are aggressed or you are not. It is a mechanic that gives easy kills to gankers and one of the reasons I am disgusted with CCP as a company.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2016-09-20 07:17:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Terona
Dracvlad wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Elite Harvester wrote:
Hendrix Foster wrote:
How about safe log-out, then lie and waffle to keep the conversation going for 30 secs..........gone. I'm guessing that it still works unless something has changed.

How about target lock? Blink

^^^ This I would like to know too- does a target lock prevent safelog?

Yes


It is my opinion that this restriction should be removed from safe log out, the only thing it is used for is hisec ganking and is another of the mechanics that make hisec ganking so easy.


Yes this!

PL about to loose it's super fleet? Just fkn click that safe log off m8t


Ok that was a bad troll

Yea I don't know why being locked on to would prevent your safe log.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#87 - 2016-09-20 07:19:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Darth Terona wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

It is my opinion that this restriction should be removed from safe log out, the only thing it is used for is hisec ganking and is another of the mechanics that make hisec ganking so easy.


Yes this!

PL about to loose it's super fleet? Just fkn click that safe log off m8t


Point or bubble them, or shoot them, that gives them an aggression timer, does everyone in this game just expect easy kills all the time. If you do not do that then they can escape but that is your failure not to make sure that you have them aggressed, will make fleet fights more interesting and s[plit fire instead of this crazy all fire on xxxx

Quote:

Ok that was a bad troll

Yea I don't know why being locked on to would prevent your safe log.


Your questions were valid, which is why I replied as I did and I respect you for seeing what I meant, the bubbles would have to be added to the safe log off checks, because in my opinion if a ship is in a bubble it is aggressed, so simply add that test. When you safe log you have to leave fleet and turn off all modules making yourself a lot more vulnerable.

Aggression is fine in terms of preventing safe log off.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
#88 - 2016-09-20 07:24:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Elite Harvester
Hendrix Foster wrote:
OK....if that's true then as soon as you target lock them then the clock is also ticking for Concord to show up. So, in doing so, I'm correct to surmise that a ransom is no long possible and a gank is the only option so whoever is ganking has to move fast..... i.e the gauntlet is thrown down.

I suppose the trick is to waffle to the ship in convo long enough to wind down the 30 secs without them giving up on the ransome idea and deciding to just gank you.

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

Once I target lock you, you cannot safe log out anymore. And a skilled bumper can hold you in place preventing you from warping out. Target locking doesn't magically summon CONCORD either.

So you can pay my ransom, buy a mining permit or enjoy the ride. Blink

Alternatively you could:
- Pay attention and warp out when you see me coming.
- Fit for more agility and out pilot me.
- Get some friends and take me out.
- Get someone good enough to counter bump me.
- Get a friend to try and web you into warp.

But we all know most Highsec miners don't want to put in any effort. Roll

Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how you can help save Highsec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2016-09-20 07:35:55 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


It is my opinion that this restriction should be removed from safe log out, the only thing it is used for is hisec ganking and is another of the mechanics that make hisec ganking so easy.


CCP put this in to stop people from using the log out as a way to escape.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#90 - 2016-09-20 07:37:30 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Elite Harvester wrote:
Hendrix Foster wrote:
How about safe log-out, then lie and waffle to keep the conversation going for 30 secs..........gone. I'm guessing that it still works unless something has changed.

How about target lock? Blink

^^^ This I would like to know too- does a target lock prevent safelog?

Yes


OK....if that's true then as soon as you target lock them then the clock is also ticking for Concord to show up. So, in doing so, I'm correct to surmise that a ransom is no long possible and a gank is the only option so whoever is ganking has to move fast..... i.e the gauntlet is thrown down.

I suppose the trick is to waffle to the ship in convo long enough to wind down the 30 secs without them giving up on the ransome idea and deciding to just gank you.

I also have often heard that the bumping ship is not always the ganking one and the inexpensive ganking ships are waiting nearby to warp in to do the job if said victim refuses to play with a ransome demand.

I'm guessing then that some ships are better suited to bumping than others....like a Stabber as opposed to a Catalyst.

No

Evil RatKid
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#91 - 2016-09-20 07:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


It is my opinion that this restriction should be removed from safe log out, the only thing it is used for is hisec ganking and is another of the mechanics that make hisec ganking so easy.


CCP put this in to stop people from using the log out as a way to escape.


And bumpers use it as an easy way to stop people from escaping and avoding the need to aggress.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
#92 - 2016-09-20 08:00:39 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
And bumpers use it as an easy way to stop people from escaping and avoding the need to aggress.

You like to word it as if the only thing keeping the victim held in place is the target lock.

Bumping (especially smaller targets) requires effort to keep the victim there and thus it is a reasonable expectation that the victim should have to put in effort themselves to get away.

Fun fact: The vast majority of my bumps I don't even have to target lock. A lot of people who live in Highsec seem to be quite oblivious to how in-game mechanics work. They don't bother to learn these mechanics because they are under the impression that places like Highsec are safe and that nothing bad could ever happen to them there, oh no, never. Pirate

Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how you can help save Highsec.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#93 - 2016-09-20 08:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Elite Harvester wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
And bumpers use it as an easy way to stop people from escaping and avoding the need to aggress.

You like to word it as if the only thing keeping the victim held in place is the target lock.

Bumping (especially smaller targets) requires effort to keep the victim there and thus it is a reasonable expectation that the victim should have to put in effort themselves to get away.

Fun fact: The vast majority of my bumps I don't even have to target lock. A lot of people who live in Highsec seem to be quite oblivious to how in-game mechanics work. They don't bother to learn these mechanics because they are under the impression that places like Highsec are safe and that nothing bad could ever happen to them there, oh no, never. Pirate


Bumping is a mechanic that enables the aggressor to hold a player in place without having to agress, I do not believe for one moment that you do not target lock and your suggestion about people expecting safe places is a smokescreen as always from a ganker aligned player. If CCP removes the target lock limitation on safe log off that will force you to aggress and is adding balance to this play style. I expect that gankers being the resourceful players that they are will soon add another toon to be ready to aggress as soon as they start bumping a worthy target.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2016-09-20 08:09:36 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Just ignore them and don't give them the attention they seek.
lol..."ignore them" ...sure. That'll work Shocked


"ignore them" is absolutely correct.

You get ganked , take it as bad luck. If you're getting ganked often , play smarter.

The last thing you should do is indulge a ganker by engaging them and feeding them tears.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#95 - 2016-09-20 08:19:47 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


It is my opinion that this restriction should be removed from safe log out, the only thing it is used for is hisec ganking and is another of the mechanics that make hisec ganking so easy.


CCP put this in to stop people from using the log out as a way to escape.


And bumpers use it as an easy way to stop people from escaping and avoding the need to aggress.


Working as intended.
Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2016-09-20 09:18:52 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Get on an alliance tournament team. They'll never follow you there.


Lol rekt
Escore
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2016-09-20 09:28:28 UTC
Its EVE you kinda expect this kind of thing. I found it easier to just pay for the licence and get on with it.. It was only 10 mil . better to do that than continually look over your shoulder, besides if you aint happy , fit your own suicide gank and go looking for payback.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#98 - 2016-09-20 10:10:32 UTC
Escore wrote:
Its EVE you kinda expect this kind of thing. I found it easier to just pay for the licence and get on with it.. It was only 10 mil . better to do that than continually look over your shoulder, besides if you aint happy , fit your own suicide gank and go looking for payback.
Even if it's paid it doesn't stop them from attacking. The best thing to do is set yourself up to be a pain in the backside to gank, then completely ignore them. Paying them or reacting just encourages them to do it even more. Now off with you, obvious code alt.

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Escore
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2016-09-20 11:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Escore
Lucas Kell wrote:
Escore wrote:
Its EVE you kinda expect this kind of thing. I found it easier to just pay for the licence and get on with it.. It was only 10 mil . better to do that than continually look over your shoulder, besides if you aint happy , fit your own suicide gank and go looking for payback.
Even if it's paid it doesn't stop them from attacking. The best thing to do is set yourself up to be a pain in the backside to gank, then completely ignore them. Paying them or reacting just encourages them to do it even more. Now off with you, obvious code alt.



Do you mind I have one account and one player this is it... just started paying again after mmmm 65 months away from game according to account details.

wow I hav'nt played this in a awfull long time. that's what WoT and WoW does to you years lost to online games.

oh and whats a "code alt" .
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#100 - 2016-09-20 12:07:06 UTC
Shush now, you're embarrassing yourself.

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