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Protocol query: on captured SKINs

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2016-09-16 20:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
With the coronation imminent and planning well underway alongside the campaign against those who would deny Empress-apparent Catiz her throne, a respectful question about protocol.

In general, among the Amarr, the use of Blood Raider SKINs and the like seems to be taken as raising a banner in their favor. It is frowned upon. This seems also to be sort of the default feeling about "Purity" SKINs-- that applying one to an Amarrian ship is a statement of support for their cause.

This seems like a slightly different case, though.

The "Purifiers" are those who directly and specifically oppose the ascent of Catiz Tash-Murkon to the throne of the Amarr Empire. They are defying the outcome of the Trials and, if I understand the situation correctly, the interpretations of the Theology Council. For this, the Empress-apparent bids us hunt them.

We do. And among the spoils of the hunt: these banners of fallen rebels.

Considering Amarrian customs of conquest, the rebellion of these persons against their proper duties as loyal Amarr, and what I understand to be an ancient Amarrian belief in the value of taking an enemy's strength for one's own (a belief manifest in the design of such ships as the Sentinel, Curse, and Pilgrim)-- would it really be inappropriate for capsuleers loyal to Amarr to present these banners before the Empress at her coronation, in lieu of their fallen owners and as proof of actions taken at her behest?

-- and, upon her successful coronation, proof of her enemies' ultimate failure?

It's grim work we have been set to do, but every SKIN recovered is proof of enemies slain on the Empress-apparent's orders. Would presenting her the proof of our handiwork really be taken as siding with her foes, and not as homage paid?

A loyal fleet, all in white, seems like it would be no insult, here, but a show of loyalty-- and a knife in the belly of any "Purifiers" who might survive to see their banners thus displayed.



I ask this as a curious outsider, knowing I may misunderstand badly. I'll stand back from the discussion, but felt this should at least be asked.
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#2 - 2016-09-16 21:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitara Newelle
Grand Admiral Third Fleet Ren Karetta has stated publicly about considering to use the captured heretics SKINs to show support for the coronation and encourages capsuleers to do so the same in an interview just today.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#3 - 2016-09-16 21:57:38 UTC
As long as you're not wearing the skin of an enemy as a hat, it's all okay, I suppose.

Only crazy people wear a human-skin hat.

And some Minmatar, so I hear.

But mostly crazy people.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#4 - 2016-09-16 22:13:28 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Grand Admiral Third Fleet Ren Karetta has stated publicly about considering to use the captured heretics SKINs to show support for the coronation and encourages capsuleers to do so the same in an interview just today.


Wait, what? Surely, manifesting the colours of a fraction directly opposing the coronation as a show of support...

Well, it doesn't make sense.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2016-09-16 22:25:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Grand Admiral Third Fleet Ren Karetta has stated publicly about considering to use the captured heretics SKINs to show support for the coronation and encourages capsuleers to do so the same in an interview just today.



Indeed, here are his words!

In his closing remarks, Admiral Karetta lauded the incredibly efficiency of capsuleers in assisting to deal with the Purity of the Throne, before quipping “perhaps we’ll nano-coat the refitted vessels in white for a while, in celebration of the ascension of Empress Catiz.

The Amarr Navy highly encourages capsuleers who have taken up arms against Purity of the Throne to wear their colors in defiance of such unclean goals, and as a symbol of unity, celebration, and support for Empress Catiz.”

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/amarr-third-fleet-admiral-speaks-out-on-purity-of-the-throne/
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#6 - 2016-09-16 22:35:07 UTC
Invest in pitchfork, tar and rope stocks.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#7 - 2016-09-16 23:10:08 UTC
Which, of course, will make it very easy to spot the actual purists in the formation...
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#8 - 2016-09-16 23:36:37 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Grand Admiral Third Fleet Ren Karetta has stated publicly about considering to use the captured heretics SKINs to show support for the coronation and encourages capsuleers to do so the same in an interview just today.


Wait, what? Surely, manifesting the colours of a fraction directly opposing the coronation as a show of support...

Well, it doesn't make sense.


It's hijacking the symbol, which is not a terribly uncommon propaganda strategy. The Purity of the Throne's message is that only someone pure may sit on the throne. By wearing the colors, a Catiz supporter declares that she is pure enough to sit on the throne.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#9 - 2016-09-16 23:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
But it doesn't do anything in the practical sense of things. People that are there to support the coronation, will be supporting it by definition. And I doubt the Purists will suddenly change their minds on it because of the display of their SKINs. So yeah. Unless you count it as displaying trophies from fallen insurgents. At that point you might just as well slap some blasters and shield hardeners on your Amarrian vessel and fly the Equilibrium colours.
Loai Qerl
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2016-09-17 02:49:41 UTC
Since purist skins mean having taken them from murdered Purists, and conventional ship aesthetics mean loyalty to conventional Imperial and Kingdom aesthetics.....I hardly see anything one could do improperly, here. Ethically, both seem well-suited! The fact that white is manifestly less appealing than gold is obvious and sanctioned, but I leave formal ruling on it to higher authorities than myself.

Honestly though. White. Matte white. Think of your crew's morale before you put on a Purist skin.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#11 - 2016-09-17 03:04:14 UTC
Yes, but that logic would then raise the question of why Blood Raider ships—built off blueprints recovered from their wrecks—wouldn't hold the same meaning.
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#12 - 2016-09-17 03:14:16 UTC
Their message, as well as that of the Equilibrium, is not one that can be so easily hijacked while remaining within the realm of acceptability.

For Amarrians, at least. I make no attempt at guessing whether it is or is not for any other group.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV

Arrendis
TK Corp
#13 - 2016-09-17 03:29:43 UTC
Indira Harashani wrote:
Their message, as well as that of the Equilibrium, is not one that can be so easily hijacked while remaining within the realm of acceptability.


Pfft. Hijacking? No. 'I killed these bastards to get this'. That's the message being sent.
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#14 - 2016-09-17 06:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Indira Harashani
Not necessarily true.

Most of those nanocoating licenses are only available for primary ownership through the Noble Exchange's successor outlet. Not through the destruction of Blood Raiders' or Equilibrium's assets.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-09-17 06:30:56 UTC
Because the concept of the throne being Pure is not heretical, just in the way they apply it.

Killing everyone is heretical as is blood ritual.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2016-09-17 07:17:22 UTC
Wearing a wolfskin cloak doesn't make you a wolf.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#17 - 2016-09-17 07:25:32 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Wearing a wolfskin cloak doesn't make you a wolf.


Might make you smell like one though. And be looked at suspiciously by slaver hounds.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-09-17 08:17:51 UTC
Fortunately wolves are mythical creatures.

Unless you meant the assault frigate?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

The Golden Serpent
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#19 - 2016-09-17 09:32:13 UTC
Father says the marushikir can't keep its spots, so some people might not care

but I wouldn't wear it that is just asking for a bad time anywhere in Amarr. It's also a really ugly shade of white, but, in a little while they'll be dead and no one will remember them i hope, so you could keep it for later.

-:¦:-•:'":•.-:¦:-•* K H A N I D •-:¦:-•:''''*:•-:¦:-

Arrendis
TK Corp
#20 - 2016-09-17 13:51:14 UTC
Indira Harashani wrote:
Not necessarily true.

Most of those nanocoating licenses are only available for primary ownership through the Noble Exchange's successor outlet. Not through the destruction of Blood Raiders' or Equilibrium's assets.


Except that I'll point out you're talking about the nanocoatings, I'm talking about the hulls themselves.
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