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Proposed mining boost nerf
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#21 - 2016-09-16 14:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Winter Archipelago
Malcanis wrote:
Zappity wrote:
The only problem I've got with the proposed changes is that the Rorqual has to be immobile to boost. This seems over the top after the removal of mining sigs and OGB removal.


Agreed, it is nonsense to tie the fleet boosting role to the industrial reconfiguration module. No other boosting ship suffers a remotely similar restriction. A FAX doesn't need to be in triage to give bonuses.

If you'd recheck the dev blog, you'd notice that the Rorqual will be getting a 4% per level boost when not in Siege. The Siege will increase that boost further (25% for the upcoming T2 version).

You'll get your boosts without sieging, but you'll get the best boost by using the Core.

Edit :: Screenshot for proof: https://puu.sh/qT5Fi/28a8ad4920.png

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#22 - 2016-09-16 14:56:46 UTC
While I totally agree with off grid boosts being terrible and this change needs to go ahead, I do kinda gets the OPs point. Mining without boosts is pretty much pointless and while boosted miners will see a nice increase in profit if the volume of mining goes down, newbies who used to benefit from free system-wide mining boosts will now need to work up to an Orca to get the same thing unless they can mine the same belt as whoever owns the Orca. Not really sure if there's a viable solution though since off grid boosts has got to go.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2016-09-16 18:06:28 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
While I totally agree with off grid boosts being terrible and this change needs to go ahead, I do kinda gets the OPs point. Mining without boosts is pretty much pointless and while boosted miners will see a nice increase in profit if the volume of mining goes down, newbies who used to benefit from free system-wide mining boosts will now need to work up to an Orca to get the same thing unless they can mine the same belt as whoever owns the Orca. Not really sure if there's a viable solution though since off grid boosts has got to go.


No they won't necessarily. It's just that the booster will have to do more work.

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Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
#24 - 2016-09-16 18:10:28 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
... unless they can mine the same belt as whoever owns the Orca. Not really sure if there's a viable solution though since off grid boosts has got to go.


Mining in belt with the Orca/Booster... nope, clearly not a solution to the boost reception issue since we all know only one miner per belt is allowed.


I understand the fear in having an orca ganked, or killed in a dec, but really that is just the cost of business. We shall see how the new mining boost ship makes people feel when the details for it are available (last I checked they were not), I think you may find the worry was all for naught.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#25 - 2016-09-16 18:31:32 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
While I totally agree with off grid boosts being terrible and this change needs to go ahead, I do kinda gets the OPs point. Mining without boosts is pretty much pointless and while boosted miners will see a nice increase in profit if the volume of mining goes down, newbies who used to benefit from free system-wide mining boosts will now need to work up to an Orca to get the same thing unless they can mine the same belt as whoever owns the Orca. Not really sure if there's a viable solution though since off grid boosts has got to go.
No they won't necessarily. It's just that the booster will have to do more work.
Yeah but they won't. Most boosters aren't going to fly around the system boosting noobs, they'll be there to boost their own guys. It was an additional benefit that they could boost noobs without much additional effort. When they stop being able to do that they'll just focus on their own dudes. I'm sure there'll be the odd altruistic booster, but for the most part it won't happen.

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Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#26 - 2016-09-16 18:45:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
While I totally agree with off grid boosts being terrible and this change needs to go ahead, I do kinda gets the OPs point. Mining without boosts is pretty much pointless and while boosted miners will see a nice increase in profit if the volume of mining goes down, newbies who used to benefit from free system-wide mining boosts will now need to work up to an Orca to get the same thing unless they can mine the same belt as whoever owns the Orca. Not really sure if there's a viable solution though since off grid boosts has got to go.
No they won't necessarily. It's just that the booster will have to do more work.
Yeah but they won't. Most boosters aren't going to fly around the system boosting noobs, they'll be there to boost their own guys. It was an additional benefit that they could boost noobs without much additional effort. When they stop being able to do that they'll just focus on their own dudes. I'm sure there'll be the odd altruistic booster, but for the most part it won't happen.

Well, I guess those poor noob, boostless miners will just have to join the corps that have them, isn't it?

Great way to advertise your corp: WE PROVIDE MINING BOOSTS, JOIN US.

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#27 - 2016-09-16 18:48:59 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Well, I guess those poor noob, boostless miners will just have to join the corps that have them, isn't it?

Great way to advertise your corp: WE PROVIDE MINING BOOSTS, JOIN US.
Heh, this will end well. Mining corps that offer all sorts already exist you know, most of them as cannon fodder for war deccers P I don't wish those corps on any noobs to be quite honest.

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Starrakatt
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Dead Terrorists
#28 - 2016-09-16 19:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Starrakatt
Lucas Kell wrote:
Starrakatt wrote:
Well, I guess those poor noob, boostless miners will just have to join the corps that have them, isn't it?

Great way to advertise your corp: WE PROVIDE MINING BOOSTS, JOIN US.
Heh, this will end well. Mining corps that offer all sorts already exist you know, most of them as cannon fodder for war deccers P I don't wish those corps on any noobs to be quite honest.

I wardec on an alt, there are a few mining corps taht are actually smart and live (or relocate) in out of the way (read PITA to reach) and often use dead-end and/or huge systems to mine. And watch Local.

We don't get much kills on these guys, if at all.

I wish noobs these kind of corps.

Edit: Besides, smarter miners will use the mining BC under wardec instead of Orca.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
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#29 - 2016-09-16 19:26:25 UTC
Yeah I'm not sure how easy those good mining groups will be to find :p

And no, smart mining groups will drop their Orca out of the corp and maintain the higher yield while removing him from the wardec.

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-09-16 20:00:08 UTC
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2016-09-16 21:07:34 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Starrakatt wrote:
Well, I guess those poor noob, boostless miners will just have to join the corps that have them, isn't it?

Great way to advertise your corp: WE PROVIDE MINING BOOSTS, JOIN US.
Heh, this will end well. Mining corps that offer all sorts already exist you know, most of them as cannon fodder for war deccers P I don't wish those corps on any noobs to be quite honest.


If only gang boosts could work on people not in your corp.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-09-16 22:02:32 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
While I totally agree with off grid boosts being terrible and this change needs to go ahead, I do kinda gets the OPs point. Mining without boosts is pretty much pointless and while boosted miners will see a nice increase in profit if the volume of mining goes down, newbies who used to benefit from free system-wide mining boosts will now need to work up to an Orca to get the same thing unless they can mine the same belt as whoever owns the Orca. Not really sure if there's a viable solution though since off grid boosts has got to go.
No they won't necessarily. It's just that the booster will have to do more work.
Yeah but they won't. Most boosters aren't going to fly around the system boosting noobs, they'll be there to boost their own guys. It was an additional benefit that they could boost noobs without much additional effort. When they stop being able to do that they'll just focus on their own dudes. I'm sure there'll be the odd altruistic booster, but for the most part it won't happen.



Which will overall help the market instead of having the "standard" of having boosts, the standard of mining yield will now be unboosted and that will drive mineral prices up and reward those who have invested the necessary ISK to build a decent infrastructure more than now.

It's like CCP wants people who are more active and contribute to the game to get more in return

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#33 - 2016-09-16 23:19:19 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
If only gang boosts could work on people not in your corp.
They only work for people in the same corp? I didn't see anything about that in the blog and assumed they'd be tied to fleets as boosts are now.

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#34 - 2016-09-16 23:20:49 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Which will overall help the market instead of having the "standard" of having boosts, the standard of mining yield will now be unboosted and that will drive mineral prices up and reward those who have invested the necessary ISK to build a decent infrastructure more than now.

It's like CCP wants people who are more active and contribute to the game to get more in return

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Yeah, which I get, but again the issue with that is that it's just further punishing newer players.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-09-16 23:52:29 UTC
Or inspiring them to get off their ass and either join something bigger or create it themselves. Not 'oh that dude is boosting me anyway and I make enough to plex every month'

Or it might push them into doing other stuff that consumes minerals rather than producing more surplus

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#36 - 2016-09-17 00:19:20 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Or inspiring them to get off their ass and either join something bigger or create it themselves. Not 'oh that dude is boosting me anyway and I make enough to plex every month'
I'm not sure what type of newbies you're talking about, but I think making a corp with an orca is probably beyond the realm of most newbies and finding a mining corp that doesn't completely suck, isn't a bait corp and isn't under perpetual wardecs is pretty tough for a newbie too. As for making a plex, mining is one of the lowest forms of income even if you are getting free boosts. The only good thing about it is that it's scalable across alts much easier than most things. For a solo player a boost just takes it from "completely pointless" to "mostly pointless", lol

Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Or it might push them into doing other stuff that consumes minerals rather than producing more surplus
Why should they be pushed out of the gameplay they like into something else? Would you appreciate it if your gameplay got nerfed and people just told you to do something you don't like instead?

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