Intergalactic Summit

Sigh .... I try to over look those whose ego I have bruised to the point they feel motivated to attack everything I say to earn points but such is life for many because even rhetorical combat here on IGS has it's casualties, so sometimes I have to respond to the walking wounded. Perhaps it will help heal them also.

Understanding Minmatar Culture is what motivates my inquiries. Because what indeed is Minmatar culture today? Is it how the Minmatar live who live in the Caldari State? Is it how the Minmatar live in the Federation? Is it how the Minmatar live in bondage in the clutches of the slavery cultists? Is it how the planet bound Minmatar live in the Republic? Is it how the Minmatar live in the nomadic fleets?

To truly understand Minmatar culture as it exists today one has to study and learn all these systems because more than any other of the people of the New Eden Cluster we Minmatar are dispersed in large numbers everywhere.

What might be nosy snooping by others is actually self interest on my part because of how it effects the Minmatar who live in that particular region or system.

Because we Minmatar are the first culture to truly span and integrate with all the other major cultures of the New Eden Cluster I think our own definition of what culture is has to be a live growing changing dynamic organism that is being shaped by influences from everyone else. In a certain light it can be something to be feared, will we lose ourselves? However because of the resilience we have demonstrated after many centuries of bondage I feel confident our cultural evolution will result in something that remains identifiable as us. Hopefully through some honest and extensive research we will take the best of where we live and leave behind the dysfunctional portions to help shape our own futures. If some find that concept objectionable I feel sorry for them, growth, change, knowledge, and understanding trumps stupidity, bruised egos, xenophobia, and stagnation.

If you can't walk, you get left behind. I've seen a lot of them walk, but then I know more about Caldari society than you do. Now, isn't there an Omega city that needs your charity, somewhere?

Actually if we leave someone behind it's usually because they are not worth keeping.

Because for a Caldari the guiding principle in life is that you are not born with inherent rights or privilege. Everything must be earned by your own hands in service and contribution to society as manifested in the corporation. Education, health care, housing, child care, are all made available to citizens who work for the company whether they are at the highest or lowest rungs of the corporate ladder.

When jobs are always available and through it social services are subsidized then quite frankly those who do not work have chosen to be left behind, and if so, they should be left there. Those who decide to contribute nothing, deserve nothing in return.

I think that less cruel and wasteful than throwing welfare money at people like they do in the Federation, but hey at least they are, "Free," To live a life of limited opportunities in some Omega or Delta city ghetto where any talents or potential they might have are squandered by a lack of available jobs; and if they do manage to get a job it's probably some minimum wage affair where they have to live the lives of indentured servitude to neoliberal economics so that smug leftists and liberal elitists can wax with a bleeding heart about how some foreign society is cruel and wasteful for leaving people behind as they post from the ivory tower of capsuleer privilege.

This actually has nothing to do with me. I'm not "walking wounded", I just think you're annoying at this point.

Way to go about proving my point. Basically it boils down to: Honor your ancestors, don't trust the Amarr, respect the tribes, help your clan, and ******* enjoy life while you have it.

Those living outside the Republic have chosen to live in a culture outside of the tribes, they know what they got themselves into. You don't need to bother them.


And this is the textbook definition of cultural appropriation... Are you sure you're not Gallente?

Well he isn't wrong about that Ronin. You honestly believe that the depth of our culture is as wide now as it would be if we didn't get invaded? I don't. One of our biggest things we should have pride in, one of the BIGGEST things that proves our worth as a people, is how far we've come despite what we've faced as a people. You give your own too little credit if you think our culture is even a speck of what it could have been. I have to agree with you his "definition" is weak, though I would think he was under the same impression as I would be, I don't need to define what you or I am. You know the definition, you live it as we all do. On that same note (and as what was driven home as a point in the "what is Matari" thread a while back) the definition is blurred as it is.

Just to touch upon your earlier post since I didn't get the chance to reply yesterday, you say you wish to understand matari culture outside of the republic. Do you see the Matari willingly living in Amarr regions as Matari? I know there's a separation of Matari culture and blood, but do remember what "I come for my people" really means. Our culture does have a part which is defending our blood, countless Matari warriors have died for such a thing. Those who choose to stay who could leave if they wished, does that not make them Matari? Going further, does that make them slaver cultists as well? I personally don't blame my kin who don't know what could be, the ones who fight me I see in the same way as a house pet who becomes rabid. I still love them but not enough to die or better yet have my own die because they lost their way. If you truely want to help them then why aren't you looking to know your enemy, your enemy who mind you have roughly a third of the population of ethnic Matari ((source: eve source p.82 incase your wondering where I got that Ronin)) in their fold? You shouldn't love the Amarr by any stretch, but don't blind yourself to a third of your kin due to hatred.

Very true, though to touch upon the second half of what I said. It shouldn't be news to you or anyone here that I have gone out of my way to harrass and pick fights with our enemies, Diana Kim, Nauplius, the majority of the militant Amarr loyalists here. I can atleast find some common ground and can agree when they are in fact right on things. A few examples would be the drifters, blood raiders (to an extent), and arguments on caldari/Galante affairs. Can you say you can do the same? I don't say this to call you out, I say this because like you, I want to know about where the other side's stand. Yes I'm curious about how my kin in far flung parts of the galaxy are but also knowing why people fight allow you to make the conclusions on how to fight more efficiently and also the conscientious decision of whether it's really a fight worth fighting. You'll learn more without doubt than you will with your own world views clouding your judgement. Again, it's not criticism. You find Kim to be your enemy I'd suggest you find out what makes her really tick before you hammer away in ways that haven't worked.

Treating you with kid gloves isn't really intended, I would just rather treat my distant kin with respect. With the "tin soldier," what are you basing this honor and such off of? If it is the same definition as I'm sure we agree on, ya she's a coward, liar, ect. Can you say you know how the Caldari think? I think she's more an anomaly since others like Pieter and Makoto have differing opinions, but then again I don't believe they're Achuran. After all, we don't think exactly the same, you being Brutor and me being Sebiestor. Deciphering her vs any other caldari, is the challenge if you really want to know more on them. The first hurdle is understanding they don't think the same way as you or I do. How could they? They had their own paths carved from much different trails than ours.

Essentially, the Caldari view of this is that there are no Matari citizens of The State.

There are Caldari who happen to have Matari ancestors. There are Matari guest-workers who happen to be working in The State under temporary contract.

Any citizens who wish to live as Matari and embrace Matari culture are warmly encouraged to do so. In Matari space.

Dissent is breach of contract. Terms of service vary according to legal jurisdiction. Yadda-yadda and so forth.

What people do in the privacy of their own residences is their business. Guest workers, of course, are expected to retain ties to their homelands.

Citizens are expected to comply with cultural norms. Guest workers are not.

That said, don't expect the locals to bend over backwards to enable foreign differences. For example, if you have specific religious requirements, they need to be covered in your contract or they won't be accommodated. A guest worker who got a Matari cultural tattoo would excite little to no comment.

Someone who claimed Caldari citizenship who got a Matari cultural tattoo would probably be treated like a foreigner. Now, when you say "penalty" you make it sound like he'd be fined or imprisoned. That's extremely unlikely. What would be more common would be officers constantly demanding his ID to prove his status. And then long delays whilst it was confirmed. Proles might pick a fight, of course. You know how proles can be.

Generally speaking, if you make yourself look like an outsider, that's how you get treated.

The standards all pilots must adhere to here on IGS are indeed enforceable.
Inappropriate commentaries have been purged.
The offender hopefully will take this as a lesson learned and she will move forward a better person as the result.

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