EVE General Discussion

Because, let's be real, it isn't 6 systems to avoid it is much more :) Do you think these corps/alliances who do this for pleasure in game are going to stick to the same pattern? And local ain't gonna help either if the other corp uses alts to keep a watch at gates and then camps the other side.

Personal experience by the way. I'm not making this up.

And just imagine how it will change come Alpha clone time. All gates between low and null areas and chokepoints etc.. will be watched and ganked. All HiSec areas can have clever stragglers as well, not just around hubs. Again this is not a bad thing!!! Don't misunderstand me, it is supposed to happen!!!

Just that a prudent newbie should bide a little time growing in the game before jumping into this head first and immediately going backwards from day one - and rage quitting shortly after. Unless he is lucky to actually find those good corps early on that you mention :) But remember that this is not everyone's experience so why should the newbie be expected to be so lucky.

Because, let's be real, it isn't 6 systems to avoid it is much more :) Do you think these corps/alliances who do this for pleasure in game are going to stick to the same pattern? And local ain't gonna help either if the other corp uses alts to keep a watch at gates and then camps the other side.

Personal experience by the way. I'm not making this up.

And just imagine how it will change come Alpha clone time. All gates between low and null areas and chokepoints etc.. will be watched and ganked. All HiSec areas can have clever stragglers as well, not just around hubs. Again this is not a bad thing!!! Don't misunderstand me, it is supposed to happen!!!

Just that a prudent newbie should bide a little time growing in the game before jumping into this head first and immediately going backwards from day one - and rage quitting shortly after. Unless he is lucky to actually find those good corps early on that you mention :) But remember that this is not everyone's experience so why should the newbie be expected to be so lucky.

Then you joined the wrong group for your playstyle. I can think of a dozen corps in null and WHs off the top of my head that are wardecced maybe twice/year. Did you ask how often they are at war when joining?

Or did you think about going as a smaller casual corp in a place like provi, where you can PvE your heart out without being shot by residents? You wouldn't be part of the larger group, so you wouldn't be as much at risk of wars.

In spite of that, it's trivial to find an empty pocket of null or LS to PvE in for a week while at war. Don't give them kills and they won't extend the war.

In spite of all that, you talk about being at war as if it's a bad thing. There are a LOT of people in null who exclusively do PvE. It's not as intimidating to do as you make it out to be.

Gosh, I'm starting to feel a little shy here "back talking" to all you guys every time you post. Sorry! :(

But remember, a newbie has no play style yet! He must be given the opportunity to learn what he likes in Eve and experience a little of everything. Joining a player corp on day 1 and then becoming a war target against these "griefers" without being able to defend himself might kill that for him. No matter if Mr CEO Eve Master promises he can protect him and shower him with goodies and hug him and be ever present on Teamspeak when he is needed.

So you're PvE-ing in HS at war, your in a backwater part of HS (less than 5-ish people typically). You see probes on d-scan (you are using it, right?) you run. They don't catch you. You see a war target show up in system (your overview is set up correctly I assume) you run. Hard to get caught.

I'm not allowed to call them griefers apparently. But I'm too tired to mince my words.

You've also a contradiction here. But again... I'm tired to point it out right now sorry.

Anyway I think I've said enough for one day. Each to his/her own then :) GN

Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.

I think that's excessive, but that's just me.

If they seem...challenged......I tell 'em to go apply to Goons........The Great EVE IQ Test awaits...:)

I'm not allowed to call them griefers apparently.

, so **** off