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ECM drones are the highest form of cancer in EVE.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#21 - 2016-09-14 12:40:58 UTC
Banko Mato wrote:


Nothing cherrypicky here... your initial rant mentioned a ship specifically bonused for sensor strength, so I assumed a much higher baseline than what you apparently had in mind.
In the end it makes no difference whether your ship has 20 sensor strength (23% to get rekt) or 100 (5% to sit there watching your own drones to funny things) against 5 ec-300 drones: If you are alone and the target is able to escape due to a lucky dice roll, he did a way better job at eve than you, meaning you got outplayed, outsmarted and bob hates you and you never deserved the kill in the first place. Ensure sufficient tackle to account for the case of ecm drones, use bubbles or keep your own drones back till the target deploys ecm drones and dispose of them afap.

As outlined before, the problem can be solved or circumvented in many ways. Crying on the forum is not one of them...

PS: yes, the other ewar drones are severely lacking in power, they def need an overhaul to move them up to the level of support ecm drones can provide.


I did not mention any bonused ship by name. If you want to get technical Logi frigates and navy vessels are all bonused to sensor strength.

You have set the performance bar incredibly low if you think that getting jammed means you failed at EVE. Here's a life tip for you, since you're so keen to educate me - having mechanics in the game that do not require any skill on behalf of either party, that cannot be counteracted against by better piloting or skills or weaponry, that you can deploy at any time to essentially change how your ship was designed for by role (the whole point of the tiericide initiative) is bad.

And the whole reason I came here to make this thread is because I get jammed on the first cycle sometimes, that's probabilities for you. Remiel said he never gets jammed, I always get jammed. In the game of chance that is ECM I think that it's a very poor one not because of unexpected surprises, but because ECM completely and without any retaliation ends the combat.

You want me to stop complaining about ECM drones? Give me scramming drones, so your ***** ass can't run away just because you took me out for 20s. Oh wait, carriers have those too now, don't they? Maybe it feels like ECM is balanced when swissarmydrones can be kitted out in many flavours and not just the terrible ones.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#22 - 2016-09-14 12:58:21 UTC
I would prefer that all ewar drones be reviewed. Yes ECM are the most prevalent but partially because the others suck beyond all belief. Web drones... They are so broken because of how webbing stacks that they are useless. Target painter drones have the same problem. Neut drones, I think I heard One person ever use them and it was a niche scenario. There are no sensor damp or tracking disrupt drones to my knowledge.

All ewar drones need an overhaul to some degree.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#23 - 2016-09-14 13:01:08 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Not sure what could be done with TP drones tho. Any ideas?

Make the painter strong enough to give a noobship the sig of a moon!

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Rawthorm
The Establishment
#24 - 2016-09-14 13:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Rawthorm
ECM drones are fine. If someone has packed some in their hold then they've obviously done their due diligence (and made the trade off of damage for the chance to escape, the same as someone fitting a warp core stabiliser makes a trade off.) and they deserve at least the small chance they provide for an escape.

Trade off's aside, the biggest use of ECM drones is among PvE'ers as a last ditch effort to save a ship that's usually no contest for whatever has caught them. The deck doesn't need stacking even further in the attackers favour and it's kind of sad to see some one from the harden up and adapt crowd complaining when the pendulum swings the other way.

If ECM is that big a problem to you, fit accordingly and harden your ships sensor strength, kill the ECM drones, or bring a friend for additional tackle (or all of the above) The tools are there, use them. The carebears (The smart ones anyway) do.
Rawthorm
The Establishment
#25 - 2016-09-14 13:12:46 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:


And the whole reason I came here to make this thread is because I get jammed on the first cycle sometimes, that's probabilities for you. Remiel said he never gets jammed, I always get jammed. In the game of chance that is ECM I think that it's a very poor one not because of unexpected surprises, but because ECM completely and without any retaliation ends the combat.



You clearly don't remember ECM in the old days then. If a ship had X sensor strength and your Jammers totalled X+1 then you Jammed them permanently. Trust me when I say that what we have now is far better from both sides.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#26 - 2016-09-14 13:13:21 UTC
This is a "I refuse to adapt to a situation that happens so often I hate it to hell and back, because adapting would mean I lower my paper dps or tank an that just won't do. I'd rather cry about it and demand changes, like a carebear".


Simply put: given the changes to sig amps, sebos and sensor skills these days it's very easy to lower the chance of getting jammed. It's not like ecm drones have a massive chance anyway.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#27 - 2016-09-14 13:22:21 UTC
BRING MORE FRIENDS BRING MORE ALTS MORE MORE MORE TACKLE
Banko Mato
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2016-09-14 13:24:20 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:

You have set the performance bar incredibly low if you think that getting jammed means you failed at EVE. Here's a life tip for you, since you're so keen to educate me - having mechanics in the game that do not require any skill on behalf of either party, that cannot be counteracted against by better piloting or skills or weaponry, that you can deploy at any time to essentially change how your ship was designed for by role (the whole point of the tiericide initiative) is bad.


Combat in eve does not begin at warping to belt, lock target, activate point/scram, press orbit and F1, nor does it end there. It's as much if not more about carefully engineering the environment of a combat situation to maximize your chances of success.
If you find yourself in the situation of being jammed by the ecm drones of a single player that you were about to kill, then clearly you made a series of (wrong) decisions leading to that outcome or at least creating a high enough chance for that outcome to occur. Welcome to eve, here decisions have consequences ^^ (and yes, not keeping that fact in mind and rushing headlong into an engagement just to ***** on the forum about the other party having put more thoughts into their own setup afterwards, this definitely counts as "failing at eve" for me)

Bring friends, keep range to target so you can react to drones being deployed, etc... in short: ADAPT ffs!
Merchant Rova
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2016-09-14 13:30:48 UTC
damps are just as bad but no one wants to address them

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#30 - 2016-09-14 13:31:13 UTC
Banko Mato wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:

You have set the performance bar incredibly low if you think that getting jammed means you failed at EVE. Here's a life tip for you, since you're so keen to educate me - having mechanics in the game that do not require any skill on behalf of either party, that cannot be counteracted against by better piloting or skills or weaponry, that you can deploy at any time to essentially change how your ship was designed for by role (the whole point of the tiericide initiative) is bad.


Combat in eve does not begin at warping to belt, lock target, activate point/scram, press orbit and F1, nor does it end there. It's as much if not more about carefully engineering the environment of a combat situation to maximize your chances of success.
If you find yourself in the situation of being jammed by the ecm drones of a single player that you were about to kill, then clearly you made a series of (wrong) decisions leading to that outcome or at least creating a high enough chance for that outcome to occur. Welcome to eve, here decisions have consequences ^^ (and yes, not keeping that fact in mind and rushing headlong into an engagement just to ***** on the forum about the other party having put more thoughts into their own setup afterwards, this definitely counts as "failing at eve" for me)

Bring friends, keep range to target so you can react to drones being deployed, etc... in short: ADAPT ffs!


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having mechanics in the game that do not require any skill on behalf of either party, that cannot be counteracted against by better piloting or skills or weaponry


Combat in eve does not begin at warping to belt, lock target, activate point/scram, press orbit and F1, nor does it end there


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If you find yourself in the situation of being jammed by the ecm drones of a single player that you were about to kill, then clearly you made a series of (wrong) decisions

Like.. the rock/paper/scissors of fitting choices before undocking?
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least creating a high enough chance for that outcome to occur.

Like providing ez-mode drones that can jam a cruiser on average about 19% of the time?
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#31 - 2016-09-14 13:47:33 UTC
Step 1: Lets remove everything from the game that people consider to be "cancer".
Step 2: Repeat with the remaining ships, because once people start using them they'll define new "cancer" ships/items...
Step 3: Continue repeating until people stop calling things "cancer" in EVE.
Step 4: Go outside because there is nothing left to undock with? (probably not even a capsule or a corpse)
Step 5: ?????
Step 6: Victory?

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Josef Djugashvilis
#32 - 2016-09-14 14:05:59 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
I would prefer that all ewar drones be reviewed. Yes ECM are the most prevalent but partially because the others suck beyond all belief. Web drones... They are so broken because of how webbing stacks that they are useless. Target painter drones have the same problem. Neut drones, I think I heard One person ever use them and it was a niche scenario. There are no sensor damp or tracking disrupt drones to my knowledge.

All ewar drones need an overhaul to some degree.


CCP spent the best part of two years 'fixing' drones, please resist the temptation to invite them to start messing with drones again.

This is not a signature.
Memphis Baas
#33 - 2016-09-14 14:18:02 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
This is getting pathetic.
It's not pathetic.


Ooh, a poll! Upvote the pathetic or the not pathetic. Let's see a vote.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#34 - 2016-09-14 14:25:33 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I don't see webbing drones, tp drones, neuting drones or damping drones just randomly allowing a losing player at 2km to get out of combat scot-free. That's why they're broken. BROKEN. Not overpowered, completely BROKEN. I could handle ecm drones if they just made you lose lock, because then you can get a bump while relocking but that's not the case.


Good to know you think any time someone outsmarts you and gets away means a mechanic is BROKEN. The caps means you are super SERIOUS

http://i.imgur.com/nAAa0Zg.gifv
Raven Ship
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-09-14 15:15:56 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
...the power of an ECM drone.


Lemme stop you there. The power of ECM drones has been outlined very comprehensively above. They are ****. Lrn2play, git gud, HTFU, GTFO, etc etc.


Hey bro...
0.95^5 = 23%.

That's not insignificant. His example of a falcon was a cherry picked example.
An all 5 sacrilege has 26.4 (17.7%)
Curse - 33.6
napoc - 30
raven - 26.4
stratios - 24 (18.9%)

I can cherrypick too. Don't quote **** you don't understand.



U whine that those mining barges/ratting ships have ecm drones?
Get balls and start to fight with ships set to fight with you, rather than sit cloaked like cowards, with scout alts everywhere, not engaging anything what you haven't got obvious odds against.

That is the circle of two gameplay level.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-09-14 15:32:32 UTC
I have a feeling ecm drones are broken.

Was able to almost permajam a Titan on sisi with a set of 300s

Art of Explosions
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-09-14 15:41:29 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Ginger Naari wrote:
The biggest cancer in EVE are players using cancer to describe something they don't like in EVE.

Cancer is a vile disease to which I have lost 7 family members and right now my Father in Law is terminally ill with it, probably hours or days left.


Ok.

I lost both my grandfathers and 3 uncles to it.

Did you have a point about the content of the post?

http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg


Thanks. I am so stealing that.

Also, ECM needs to be tweaked, but it's hardly killing the game. Risk averse play styles are killing the game.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#38 - 2016-09-14 15:50:13 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Ginger Naari wrote:
The biggest cancer in EVE are players using cancer to describe something they don't like in EVE.

Cancer is a vile disease to which I have lost 7 family members and right now my Father in Law is terminally ill with it, probably hours or days left.


Ok.

I lost both my grandfathers and 3 uncles to it.

Did you have a point about the content of the post?

http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg


Thanks. I am so stealing that.

Also, ECM needs to be tweaked, but it's hardly killing the game. Risk averse play styles are killing the game.

High Definition face palm, because sometimes it's just necessary.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#39 - 2016-09-14 15:51:14 UTC
Riddle:
This thing all things devours:
Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente, Amarr;
Gnaws shields, bites armor;
Grinds ship hulls to meal;
Slays CEO, ruins alliances,
And beats giant coalitions down.

Answer:
ECM drones


Wait....that doesn't sound right...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Thomas Lot
London Elektricity
#40 - 2016-09-14 17:44:26 UTC
This hasn't been locked yet?
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