EVE General Discussion

So I know we are a minority.

I know most of you don't even know what happens in this space. It seems scary and dangerous and the old-wives tales of the cloaky Proteus that's ALWAYS watching keeps you up at night.

However people do choose to brave this isolated region of space. In fact it used to thrive and was an endgame goal for many pvp and pve alike.

I won't deny that aspects of the ISK torrent that was capital escalations were not broken: it was.

However the state we are at now means that there's subsequently less and less people occupying high class wormhole systems (c5 and c6).

Now you're probably wondering at this point 'so, how does this affect me?'. Well you know those shiny T3 ships? Those are made from sleeper technology. Components that only drop off sleepers in large quantities in higher class space.

This is probably the biggest influence that wormhole space has on the whole of eve, it's not massively game-changing bit I think it warrants some thought.

The play style that we enjoy is dying. Big T3 brawls are happening less and less, catching people ratting in a capital fleet is almost unheard of now. The things that make wormholes an attractive option are no longer there anymore.

You can make equal and sometimes more isk doing high sec incursions with minimal risk. What's the reward for putting capitals on field during ratting now? A group of supercharged sleepers that are harder than the rest of the site combined that drop loot equivalent to 1 bounty tick from a vni ratting in null.

Also the decision to add even more wormhole systems. Why? It's already luck of the draw to find someone you can fight with, combining the fact that it's not profitable to live in a wormhole and the fact that there's more systems available you just get what we have today: a lot of dead space.

Wormholes should be a struggle to control valuable systems, similar to how T2 moons are so contested in null: because they just produce so much money.

Back in the day where the whole of high class space would fight tooth and nail for the most valuable systems ( c6 magnetars) some of the most amazing battles were as a result of such conflicts and resource grabs. When an alliance is willing to seed tens of capitals into a wormhole (trust me this is difficult) to take a system, you know that the game is in a healthy state.

The recent changes to high class space has just discouraged any form of group pve as rattlesnakes have now become the norm on how to run sites efficiently. No capitals running sites also means no massive dunks that kept the pvp hungry side happy happen.

CCP you've literally killed high class wormholes. Bring back the ISK/RISK ratio to acceptable levels ( not to the point of old escalations) or you're just going to be loading hundreds of empty systems every downtime.

Edit: I've reviewed every economic report CCP has posted and the amount of blue loot sold has dropped from roughly 18trillion per month to 10 trillion in the most recent August report.

If this isn't empirical evidence that wormhole space is dying I don't know what is

Let's hope so, maybe the market will get a chance to recover. but what am I saying? As soon as these become profitable again, folks will be right back there sucking every site and gas cloud dry until another post like this comes along. This is a complex issue, it's also at the core of many RL economic problems :P

I understand the problem and that you make a post about it.

I was just curious what you do now to adapt to the changing situation. Are you finding something else to do? I noticed from my little in game experience that Eve is a game of many things, among which is adapting to changing circumstances.

There's adapting to changes in your playstyle and then there's having your playstyle unceremoniously put down.

Be it by design or inadequate balance CCP occasionally do this and they're not likely going to un-**** life for us in any of these regions unless we make noise and have a discussion about it.

While I'm not a wormholer myself I do very much empathize with them

I thought wormholes were designed to be too difficult to live in.

I also thought that the wormhole community's extremely vocal hatred for krabs coupled with internal drama and evictions from several different (not just hk and lazerhawks) PvP groups is what emptied wh space.

On the other hand, there are only like four class IV Magnetar systems in the Anoikis, and I own one.

OPTIMISM NEW EDEN

I came back from from a hiatus and my corp has relocated from a C4 to a C5 system and honestly it seems pretty dead. I scan around all day looking for some Content™ and just find lots of empty space.



More like 30

I asked this question in WH forum so I don't want to cross-post the whole thing into here, but I don't understand how this new changes work.

I hear people say high end WH became "less lucrative", yet after returning from almost a year long break I find that melted nanoribbons price is really low now. There must be something I'm missing... if it became harder to farm high end WH, why are WH materials & T3 stuff prices so low now? I've seen T3 hulls sell for like below 150m when I came back from the break, and nanoribbons look really cheap.

:puzzled:

This game's community surprises me sometimes. When I left, I honestly felt like Eve Online's stock just couldn't be any higher with a major release over the horizon, (Citadels) World War Bee, and a few others.

I come back to all this Eve is dead talk but maybe we forget the ebbs and flows, New Eden is sort of in a global, post-war state. Maybe lots of groups that normally loafed around and waited for the cyno to light are now instead trying out having a zillion mining alts in their new home in the north, or carrier ratting, or or or....

And to be honest I still really have no idea. I guess there's 30 C4 Magnetars.

just to add... (I always seem to do this k), the reason I mentioned C5/C6 although I don't do them is precisely because I feel 'less people around' effect although I'm not doing stuff in C5/C6.

So although I'm not a high-end WH player I do get the 'less people' feeling in my C3s and C4s, so maybe OP's onto something here about high end WH changes effecting WH spaces overall.