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Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#21 - 2016-09-09 11:26:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
Bubba Freedom wrote:
If the issue keeps being posted, there's an issue. Instead of telling those of us that are advocating for this to go back to our own world, come out of yours and look around.
So if I go on to the forums of another MMO that I play, one that isn't as PvP focused, and along with my considerable number of guild mates keep starting threads demanding that the devs implement more PvP mechanics and full loot etc then that developer should change their game to suit my wants?

Get out.

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#22 - 2016-09-09 12:55:26 UTC
Bubba Freedom wrote:
If the issue keeps being posted, there's an issue. Instead of telling those of us that are advocating for this to go back to our own world, come out of yours and look around.


No it doesnt. It just means there are a lot of pompous arses out there who mistake their privilege to play the game as entitlement to dictate to devs that the game be transformed to suit their personal whim, and arguing with out right lies and dip-**** logic no less.

To hell with the fact that there are already games out there for these players that want their hand held already. To hell with the fact that thousands of other players enjoy this game as is. To hell with the fact you super-bears can get exactly what you want from the test server.

The core principle of eve is that its a full time pvp sandbox. Don't like it? Why the **** are you even here then?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#23 - 2016-09-09 13:50:31 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
To hell with the fact you super-bears can get exactly what you want from the test server.



Holy **** you're rightShocked what the hell are they complaining about?



Also I think I'm in love with "super-bear"

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#24 - 2016-09-09 14:16:29 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Most of the proceeds of PvE eventually end up on the market, which is very much a PvP environment.
A safe environment for PvE would lead to PvE being incessantly farmed for profit via the market.

PvE is incessantly farmed for profits now and in all areas of space so how would the OP idea change this?
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#25 - 2016-09-09 15:22:23 UTC
Bubba Freedom wrote:
If the issue keeps being posted, there's an issue. Instead of telling those of us that are advocating for this to go back to our own world, come out of yours and look around.

I did. Without people trying to kill you(r character), this world falls flat.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#26 - 2016-09-09 15:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Donnachadh wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Most of the proceeds of PvE eventually end up on the market, which is very much a PvP environment.
A safe environment for PvE would lead to PvE being incessantly farmed for profit via the market.

PvE is incessantly farmed for profits now and in all areas of space so how would the OP idea change this?
Yes, PvE is being incessantly farmed for profit but at the moment there is always an element of risk associated with garnering those profits, that risk being that someone may come along and frak up your day while you're doing it.

What the OP wants is to be able to garner that profit without any risk at all; to which I say sod off.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#27 - 2016-09-10 01:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
OP...this game is marketed and known for its open box pvp aspect. Unless by chance it picked up the one person who has never gamed in their life and they chose eve as their truly first game....or the rest lived lived under a very big rock, the pvp aspect is known.

Even my coworker more into console side knows this. Which is funny, I have tried to convert him. But he says eve is too cold. The punchline being he is one of those cherry picking cheap shot killers in the dark zones of the division loved so much in that game. He says this game too cold...I go wtf, really?


Rest. OP here is below the basic build for a a nice quiet night of pve.

Tengu.
Talon implants
Sig Amp (II or sentient)
SEBO (II or sentient)
Dissolution Sequencer (skill level 5)
Gravimetric sensors skill 5
AB NOT MWD props

Mix and match these to get a really low sig radius/sig strength ratio. At lowest levels you will not be found without a max skill CO, sisters gear, and virtue implants. Reduces probing in sites/ds by a huge amount really. Run d-scans and you can literally see the probes inch to you as they try, really hard, to get the 100 %lock. Put another way....barring bad luck and they drop right on top of first time out you will get ample time to gtfo out safe up if you want to.


This will work with other t3's...but they tend to pale to tengu (in empire, then can do better in wh's effect depending). Also avoid proteus in a drone setup. Avoid drones completely in fact. In the good old days of un-probable this was how you tried to find un-probable ships...the drone MWD sig bloom.

But but I mine whine. You all choose a method of isk making that requires no skill to find you. CBA to d-scan or probe gankers just have to go down the list of belts 1 by 1.... Where as even a BS in a mission pocket needs a prober to find.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#28 - 2016-09-11 03:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Dullahan Solo wrote:
Christ, this again?


Cannot even begin to fathom the number of times I've said this on a nearly daily basis coming here.

OP is literally asking for a different game.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Tragot Gomndor
Three Sword Inc
#29 - 2016-09-11 07:39:32 UTC
Well the reasons why numbers are declining are simple.

Eve is over 10 yrs old
Automated multiboxing has been killed
New people not staying

We or CCP cant change point 1 and 2. We can only try to change point 3.

Peoples will never stay because of PVE in this game. Its dull, its boring, and even in dangerous regions its only "hammer the dscan untill you warp to safety".
Fleet PVE? Its just shoot tag 1 to 9 till everything is dead.
Being able to STAY and fight back the PVP intruders are maybe the ONLY thing that adds some fun to PVE in eve.

Yes, PVE needs a maaaaassive overhaul, to make it anything fun. But not by instancing it.

NONONONONONO TO CAPS IN HIGHSEC NO
Captain Campion
Campion Corp.
#30 - 2016-09-11 11:31:03 UTC
Totally agree - the older I get, the less I care about PVP. Sometimes after a day of work I just want to carebear in peace.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#31 - 2016-09-11 11:35:45 UTC
Captain Campion wrote:
Totally agree - the older I get, the less I care about PVP. Sometimes after a day of work I just want to carebear in peace.


Daichi Yamato wrote:
... you ... can get exactly what you want from the test server.


that do it for you?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
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