Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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You raise a noteworthy point. But I think there is another benefit to this. gate fees combined with a re-energized use of standings could increase game play by re-valuing how "space" is conceived of in game play.

The concept of "space" in Eve is under-utilized. Gate fees are simple(r) fix regarding this undervaluation. Setting aside WH, it is not unreasonable to conceive of "space" in an almost linear fashion as the distance between Jita and valuable moon goos. FW mechanics value space but the monolithic market nature of Jita is unusually artificial for the implied market functionality that exists within the game.

Associating a cost with movement which is combined with standings might actually change "opportunity cost" decision-making and create more player-to-player opportunities by decentralizing the singular Jita market into regional markets. Trader playstyle might become a more engaging experience.

Also, a player might have incentives to purchase or build something in a regional market because the cost to acquire it is less overall. We make decisions like this in real life when we factor in transportation or shipping costs into a purchase. Market forces would eventually extend to players otherwise locked out of content and the incentive to explore WH would also increase. If we extend this idea into 0.0 or FW, sov holders might be able to set fees and FW entities might enjoy some similar benefit. A similar dynamic can be seen with JF fuel costs, but in this case, the cost is not fuel but taxes associated with standings.

The game already has skills related to distance like remote order management that has an implied valuation of space but to move in high sec costs nothing but time. Areas like border zones between regions might become interesting game play opportunities because they might serve as perimeter hubs with fast access to other markets. Movement and "space" acquires value. Standings acquire additional (and I'd argue, originally intended) value.

Also, the cost to say haulers would be reflected in higher market prices which would likely drive market decentralization (eventually). An isk sink like this turns into real revenue for CCP or causes isk to leave game. In this light, creating many locales of communities within systems may not be a bad thing because content opportunities become localized.

Gankers stay in well travelled systems. They don't use gates nearly as much as haulers do.

Do you know what else encourages selling at a local market? Ganking! The more dangerous it is to move goods the more people are encouraged to trade locally rather than travelling through the ganker camped bottlenecks between markets.

You dont need costs for movement, just stop nerfing ganking. That way whether I'm rich or poor, noob or vet, i can reduce my costs/risks by being smart and working with other players.

umm, pure haulers really don't have standing or sec status. They haul....they don't run level 4's till they puke to boost these real high most times.


And let talk about these...will faction and sec status weigh equally. You are aware FW trashes sec status I will assume. But it maxes out faction standing. So will our newly retired general from FW who is also yellow as hell sec wise be given a lower fee in his factions space?



And some gankers don't even jump systems. I will assume Niarja is as fun as it has been for several years. Someone please corrective if not. No burning desire to hit the system to check after a break lol. Station clone there, back up ships there. They don't have to leave it because if like the past people feed them easy kills.

Balancing travelling around isk is a bit dubious. I played a single-player space game a decade ago, it was an Elite knock off that had fees for buying fuel whenever you wanted to make a trip. This seemed cool at first but rapidly became a bit tedious and I ended up hitting the tick box that said, just do it and don't ask me. So I'm with Black Pedro on this.

There are a couple of other problems as well. E.g.

- people with negative wallets would not be able to travel at all and even if they had jump clones they would be locked to a single system

- it hurts newer players, and has no effect on older, established players

- I doubt it would change much with suicide ganking as the gankers would just base themselves in choke points like Uedama, Niarja and the Balle - Hek pipe. And could use jump clones to move around, at least, once a day.

These are fair points. I see the inability to travel with a zero wallet as a net positive. Even new players have relatively localized access to an isk faucet. Existing skills and new ones could tie into this decision point.

Several posts have mentioned the concern with new player access. I understand the concern, but I think it is overstated. How far does a genuinely new player travel before he has isk? Also, most new players rarely have a terrible sec status. State standings may be another issue, but, again this can be addressed in the math, or even irrelevant if a new player is in his home state. I would understand security status to be an exponential multiplier of fees, but not state standings.

The potential for a change in ganker locations might be in the decentralization of the Jita market hub. The upshot here is that this does not call for a change in actual gank mechanics (bumping, etc..). Or, put another way, the opportunity to gank from these fixed locales might decrease as markets distribute and additional trade hubs/routes carry more traffic. The use of citadels meshes nicely here to break up the monopoly of Jita into numerous fiefdoms.

Please quantify this alleged "lack of parity".

We'll wait.

Yeah, but there's the opportunity cost of finding someone lazy or silly enough to get ganked. If there were no easy targets, there would be significantly less ganking. Freighters aren't ganked, rather, freighters let themselves be ganked. It is almost impossible to lose a freighter and especially a JF in Hi Sec unless you are hilariously ignorant. Gankers are already throttled in the pace of their destruction of how many silly people they can find and be patient for, and that should be the only determinant of gank-feasibility. Same is true for any T1 industrial and any mining barge.

Try playing as the antagonist for a few weeks. You may appreciate how much safety you are taking for granted, and how many no-no's one has to break to get ganked.