EVE General Discussion

I've seen this countless times, and I've been playing for over a decade...

Which is probably why I draw the line at certain activities, even though I condone those activities by others who chose to do them. Case in point, scamming your own corp or being a long-term spy, and by that I mean not a couple of weeks here and there. I mean actually going to the trouble of befriending the people you intend to scam, including knowing them outside of the game, having meet-ups in real life, hell even driving across states and meeting their wives and kids. I've seen this happen, very rarely, but it does happen. I question the mental state of such people, but Eve is a sandbox, and who are we to judge?

Even though I wouldn't go that far, I've done my fair share of piracy, high sec ganking, made a few newbs cry when I used to FC, and I did run with CODE for a short spell. The smack talk I've received is far worse than any I've dished out, I've had miners whose ship I've just popped talking about raping my mom, whereas all I've done is engaged in perfectly legit tactics within an open world space sandbox. I question the mental state of these people even more, as clearly the line between fiction and reality is well and truly blurred.

People also make the assumption that if you have a leaning toward a PvP playstyle, then you must have no life outside of the game. I could say the same about industrialists, but why would I? I have a wife and kids, I do stuff with them, I play ball with my friends and I work (hard) to provide for my family....and in my spare time I occasionally grief pixel spaceships from my desk.

TL;DR Confused why so many people assume that pirates/griefers are assholes IRL.

So a 15000 hp change to wrecks justifies the anshar getting a 150,000+ ehp buff to compensate for changes to a mod it cannot fit?

Yup. The EHP buff for freighters was well needed. It's an 8b isk capital ship with less tank ability than a 1b isk carrier. Capital ships shouldn't have paper tanks.

Yes, most people are risk averse (well, there is the whole issue of are people risk averse or loss averse, but setting that aside....). There is considerable evidence for this. Both in game and out. Do you diversify your stock portfolio? Why? To limit your risk. Do you check references of a contractor you are thinking of hiring? Why? To limit your risk. Do you fit a sensible tank on your ship? Yes. Why? To limit your risk of loss. Do you use scouts? Why? To limit your risk.

Here is a thought experiment.

You have two choices:

1. You get $50 every time we play and you pick this option.
2. You get $100 with probability 0.5 or $0 with probability 0.5 every time we play and you pick this option.

And we will play for a finite number of rounds I decide.

Which bet do you take. A person taking 1 is risk averse or risk neutral. A person picking 2 is risk seeking or risk neutral.

And when people say "**** it" and pull a Leroy Jenkins and have fun that is not an example of risk seeking. I've been in those situations in a fleet and yeah it has been fun but, and this is a big but, in those cases losses are heavily compensated for. And also, I can afford to replace lots of ships in game as well. So it is analogous to going to Vegas and giving your self a budget for gambling and enjoying the excitement of gambling. The point is people who are risk seeking will always say "**** it".

Same as piracy in all of human history. To take the riches of other and make them your own.

Gankers frequently get podded, and before the clone changes they had to pay to replace the clone if they had over 900k SP, now they don't, they can happily get podded for free. That is a buff.

I'm not surprised at all that you're a complete hypocrite when it comes to these things though.

It doesn't require a fleet to kill it, it only requires a fleet to kill it in less than 30 seconds

Caught in nullsec you could rip through it solo in a subcap.

They never were before which is why most gankers don't use them or use the super cheap ones.

For a capital it has a paper thin tank.

Not true. Every other capital would easily outrep a single subcap.

Comparing money IRL to ISK is ridiculous. This is a video game, the goal is fun, enjoyment. Assuming people act the same around ISK that they do around money IRL doesn't make sense. You people need to stop trying to turn a video game into a job.

But let's pretend we can equate money IRL to isk. If you give me those two options above and one of them is more fun to do in the process, I pick the one I enjoy more.

Life (IRL or in EVE) is about more than money or ISK.



So the goal in game is to simply get as much ISK as possible? To what end? Don't people enjoy challenges any more?

They have always been listed as something to have in the big organisations right from the days of hulkageddon and the ice interdictions and most people use them. Hence why you always saw the ganker pods scatter.

Again, 700k ehp is not paper thin, this has been buffed to 1.15 million EHP. The only ship in highsec with more tank is the veldnought.

Tell that to the Red Alliance nyx that died to rats.

Still it is absolutely zero risk and massive rewards...

for some that may be the case, for most it is not. Either way still irrelevant because it's still a buff. If you ever wondered why it seems like ganking only gets nerfed, it's because like this, you dismiss every buff as non-existent.

For a capital it has a paper thin tank.

To a single rat? Or a fleet of rats?