EVE General Discussion

Hmmm... now that you guys put it that way, it doesn't seem like ganking is problematic at all. At least for the smart haulers and miners. And yeah I do agree about what happened with Burn Jita. There were juicy haulers coming in anyways into Jita despite the stargate system giving out a public warning to the travelers about high congestion and pirate activity in the system in addition to the login screen telling everyone that Jita was under attack. This went on for 3 (three) days straight. Yet the haulers kept coming in with expensive loot and dying with it. So really, the only ones at fault here were players who were too lazy or didn't care about protecting themselves.

PS: By the way, I still regularly mine and I have only rarely been ganked due to how I always tank my mining ships and keep on the move. I start moving out as soon as the system I mine in becomes a little too popular.

It is one of the few times I have ganked. I'd log in there'd be 2,3 even 4 fleets up, I'd get in one and off I'd go. And yeah, 3 days later it'd still be rolling along.

Prudence and wise play will win out. And this is true IRL (well....lets just say "politics" and leave it at that lest ISD get annoyed).

Excellent post though this is very lowsec orientated, the key thing about this is that it takes a lot of accounts and friends to do this and while this is an option for 0.0 and lowsec groups, which sadly many do not do by the way relying on a logistics player to just die, hisec players tend to be in small groups or solo because of war decs. The mechanics of hisec get in the way of defending your freighter too.

The scenario you have to deal with is when you get caught by logons to the gate when your scout warps off if they can get a blackbird to suicide point to stop the webber from working then they get the bumper on you this is where you have fun. One option is to gank the Macherial, removing the cargo is another option and I have seen some people start doing that and I praised the hell of them. I also set up two DST's to do this for people but even with my record people still don't trust enough to take my word, which is fine but annoying.

Your ability to go through lowsec is something that very few haulers will risk, but it does enable you to avoid that Macherial sitting on the gate, one of the issues here is that many people do courier contracts and they are stuck at that point. or are a lot more casual in terms of the time they spend on Eve. One of the issues I point out is that Eve is not a game to play casual and this is a good example of why.

Just before DT and about an hour or two after DT during the week is actually pretty safe, it used to be that 4 hours before DT was safe but they realised that a lot of people did their freighter runs around there so certain west coast Americans started covering that period.

So in a nutshell well played to you as a player and your friends who put such effort in, I wish there was more like you, but the structure of hisec due to war decs has created a small group mentality to avoid war dec attention, so if you build up a group do work together in hisec you won't be able to do this as you will have to deal with people like Vendetta which becomes a whole new ball game.

Which gets back to the game balance issue...

Mining ships are some of the most poorly balanced ships in the game.

Out of the first page of catalysts killed by concord only 7 are T1 fit. The tornado is the staple of solo ganking and the talos is used when you can't get enough pilots to use catalysts.



85% of people who quit in the first 15 days do so having done no PvP. It has been found that people who do PvP stay for longer, so if we are going to target an area then we should be looking at bringing in more PvP not less. I say we target the 85% not the 1%.



Being AFK and autopiloting makes ganking you far far easier than if you are paying attention and manually piloting.

Now let me nail the question of the OP, this will be a long post and will annoy some of you people, but whatever.

Very simply any game will reflect the person, sometimes to a slight degree sometimes all the way in that the person playing is the character, more so in Eve where the game is based more on personal friendships online. So the real you is there whether you like it or not. The truth is that role playing in Eve is very weak and there is little benefit to do it.

Now lets take aim at gankers here, there are some who really focus on tears and love to rub peoples noses in it, just recently I saw a report that a freighter was being bumped so I went there with two Guardians, found it 400 km away and no one else apart from the bumper around it, so I said what the hell and burnt towards it, when I was about 120 km from it in came the gank fleet, they ganked it when I was 107 km away. One of them started going on that I was fail in local blah blah blah, I just laughed to myself, because I expected to fail, saving freighters is really difficult, also I had nothing to prove to myself, I know what I can and cannot do. So he dropped in the loss mail and went on a bit and I looked at the mail and returned back to my base completely not bothered.

A lot of people go on about doing real PvP in lowsec or null and castigate the gankers that way, some of the gankers do that stuff and it is silly to think otherwise, ganking for those types is purely for ISK which is why I focus on the ISK generation imbalance here. Though some of those players did both tears and ISK generation.

Lets look at baltec1 for an example, he is interesting because he did can flipping, and he spends a lot of time talking about why a T2 fitted ship should be profitable to gank, he is fixated on a time in Eve where he could trick people into one sided fighst and just laugh at the helpless sap who he killed in front of others while laughing at the stupidity of the miner. What is his motives, for me killing a miner like that would be fun once or twice, the challenge being to actually do it and after that I would think easy and move on, but not for all people. He wants all mining ships within his range to be able to kill, to make himself feel good.

Some people do not like a challenge, some people want it easy to lord it over others to stroke their ego's and there are quite a few gankers like that, they need to find an easy game to play which enables them to come out on top and to rub other peoples noses in it because they are great and their prey are fail. I have talked to quite a few gankers over my time in Eve and have had some decent conversations with them, I have come across some real nasty pieces of work however, but the majority are pretty cool and relaxed.

The key thing here is many people like to have something that makes them feel good, or superior, for me it is simply being difficult to kill and that gives me satisfaction, it is a personal goal, to others it is to beat someone in their face and to tell them that they are superior. This is why they fight tooth and nail to protect their easy game play, it is simply because they don't want the challenge and want to be able to show their superiority without being actually superior.

Does it make them a bad person no, does it make them sad or whatever, no. It is a game and you play it based on what your goals are. So while I sit there and look at some of these players who are massively richer then me in game and do ganking really well and efficiently I can respect their organisation and their persistence, but because they have so many mechanics in their favour I cannot give them the respect they feel they deserve. And the more that they moan about nerfs when the mechanics are in their favour the more I despise their attitude, especially on the forums.

So it really comes down to one important aspect, those people are showing weakness because they don't really want a challenge, they want easy large kills to feed their ego and that is all it is and adding to that, some really like to get at the person to get around the boredom of what they are doing to make it more personal and fun for them.

So at the end of the day it hardly matters about the question that the OP put up, it is how people are, period...

Apparently the answer is yes they are failures.

And what percentage stay because of ganking, or the style of game that allows ganking?

Of course, we don't know, which makes your conclusion as useful as your typical level of conclusion. Absolutely useless and without base.

That's pretty irrelevant since I'm not advocating the removal of ganking so those people would remain regardless.

I see the opposite, people with "evil" and "edgy" name's, persona's, and bio's ingame but sound quiet and awkward on comms.

Convos like:

Me: Hey Devil666demonkiller are you there?

mumble...mumble......squeaky voice.....

Me: wtf....speak up mate.