EVE General Discussion

The New Order and our quest to save highsec continue to be the most relevant and important issue in Eve, for over four years now. Its no wonder people are drawn to discussing it especially those who's only method of fighting against us are verbal.

Search back over the last four years and you will find the same posts (often by the same players) as now positing that the New Order (or CODE. as they often confuse the organizational structure) are simultaneously 1) dying, 2) of no significance and 3) destroying Eve.

That people can hold all three thoughts in their heads at the same time seems absurd to us logical thinkers but remember they also believe that our ability to only kill noobs in ventures required a major change in freighter tanking and the ability to bump capital ships (Note: nobody is bumping Ventures). I suppose they believe the upcoming "get out of jail free" card that CCP is dealing the freighter pilots will be the "one more nerf" that will finally put the nail in the coffin of James 315 and his loyal crew. Just like time we were finished off by the addition of built in tank for the mining ships or the additions to CRIMEWATCH or even the banning of hyperdunking. The fact that every nerf has been followed by an INCREASE in New Order violence makes no impact on the mind of the dedicated Antiganker.

So we'll still be around, ganking and bumping, creating emergent gameplay to excite and inspire the rest of Eve. The forum posts will still come around to the most interesting subject in Eve without us having to start threads. I've always found this an interesting concept that the anti-gankers have, that we start threads to complain about ourselves. I only understood it once I got into the anti-ganker channel and found that they have the wide spread belief that everyone is a New Order spy in disguise so naturally they think all the OPs are too. Such delusions would be frightening if they weren't held by such harmless fellows (in game) so it just remains a charming idiosyncrasy. Of course, its in real life where they are actually dangerous.

1) You are dying, you have less active people in line with Eve as a whole
2) No significance in terms of stopping the markets or stopping mining (your whine over skiffs was funny)
3) Removing a lot of new players from the game or people about 6 months to 1 year old.

Crimewatch, you were created by people butthurt over the loss of the naff can flipping mechanic.

The increase to freighter tanks happened after CCP increased the EHP of freighter wrecks.

People bump DST's mate...., also it is well understood that you need to suicide an alt with a Ibis and a scram on the freighter to re-set the automatic warp when being bumped. It is not seen as being a major issue for you lot. by any AG player, it is easy to get around.

Emergent gameplay, ugggh pathetic that.

CODE players do start threads to complain about themselves to make themselves feel important.

I have seen many CODE spies removed from the AG channel, most are lame as hell with their wind ups which are designed to get a reaction to put on their web site.

Real life, don't flatter yourself mate, I could not give a rats ass what you are in real life, that you think that anyone blowing up and ranting at you in local really can do anything is rather lame in itself. It is the Goons who are the only alliance in game that went after people in real life.

That was the biggest amount of rubbish I have yet seen posted by any ganker.

I get on with a number of gankers, have had some good chats with them, I respect the organisation of the ganker players, but I also see where it is easy too and where it needs a balance pass, that makes me someone who wants to nerf ganking, lol...

I think we found a common ground here. People who play "bad people" in game are "bad people" IRL, while people who play like idiots (carebears) are idiots IRL. I think we can live with that. Anyway, the take away message here is clearly that you should probably purchase a mining permit and follow the Code anyway because no amount of whining will remedy your situation.

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Where does that put code then? Since you guys play "bad people" while simultaneously being the biggest carebears in the game seeing that you go after newbs and cry whenever CCP push for balance. Nobody needs to pay for a permit of follow the silly rules of a little online cult. We're happy just pushing for CCP to continue to make positive changes to improve the game for newer players and if veterans like yourself can't handle moving on to take on actual challenges instead of hunting rookies, that will be your problem to cry about.

There are the poor noobie tears I was looking for :D

I'll never get this 'protect the poor noobies' mentality. I died horribly in Rancer when I was a noob, and I loved it! I guess the idea is that you enter as a poor fragile noob but at some point during the NPE you're supposed to grow a pair?

That is great for you, but it's not always the case. Plenty of people are put off even trying EVE because they know the first thing they will encounter are veteran trolls looking to rob them, kill them or otherwise ruin their attempt to play. It's great that some people take that as a challenge, but I continue to question why anyone would offer continued support for veterans who actively choose to target the lowest skilled players in the easiest space in a competitive game that is supposedly a challenging hardcore sandbox. I get you want a game filled with just people who play like you, but that's not very sandboxy and certainly not good for the longevity of the game.

They are, they just want to play a sandbox game *gasp* in the way they see fit. You want only one type of player to exist and have the nerve to pretend you are somehow more capable of playing a sandbox game.

In other words you tried to grief people in a game that doesn't tolerate griefing (probably because they value thousands of normal customers over one of you) and you got banned or it. Too bad, so sad.

Sure, and in other games those same people are generally losers taking on easy kills rather than a challenge. Like RUST players who seek out that guy that just finished his first tree with a rock and shoot him to death. They are the same people that used to hack items into games like Diablo then run around PKing people too. It presents no challenge and doesn't actually gain them anything, but they get a kick out of how it makes them feel to crush someone that stood no chance in the first place. I much prefer a challenge myself which is why my foray into ganking was short-lived.

Well maybe Eve isn't the game for them? It's not like it's the only MMO, or the only Space game.

Actually, it isn't really true. Veterans are not out running around trying to screw over noobs. Some may scam or gank the foolish and imprudent and some of that might include some noobs, but it is unlikely veterans are specifically focusing on new players. Veterans are usually doing other stuff to be bothered with some new guy undocking in Duripant and heading over to Verge Vendor to see what it is like in that region.

Don't buy into the falsehood.

Yeah, CCP defines them slightly differently, as "lost potential customers". Plus let's face it, who's really the weakling, the guy who joins a game, doesn't find it interesting to be griefed by veterans and leaves to find a game that does entertain them, or the veteran player sitting in the highest security section of the game on a disposable alt shooting newbies?

Apparently they can, otherwise there would be noone out to get only easy, low risk kills. Plus, what exactly becomes of your definition of "sandbox" if you think only one type of player can play it?

Maybe it isn't, and that's why CCP are rolling out more and more microtransactions, dumbing down the game and opening it to a free to play market, because players aren't coming to the game anymore and they need to take drastic steps to generate revenue. Then you guys have the audacity to whine on about how CCP are ruining the game for you.