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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#421 - 2016-09-14 18:26:40 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
That's certainly not the case, since in most cases the harvester goes out of their way to berate the target player after the loss to get the reaction from them. Then when they fail to get that reaction they get bored. Let's be real here, it takes no skill to take out a rookie player in a gankable ship so it's not for the challenge, and the rewards are virtually non-existent in a lot of cases so it's not for the reward, so I'd be pretty comfortable claiming that in most cases the goal is to get a reaction from the target. Certainly so in the case of CODE who have a website dedicated to humiliating the players they've managed to wind up into a frenzy.

FYI Ava, CODE only have the roleplaying element because when they initially started bumping they were told that doing it without a reason could be constituted as harassment (since that was it's intention) so they came up with the idea of trying to extort a miniscule amount of isk out of people as a way to give them a valid reason to be doing it. The basis behind it remains the same, James is butthurt over some old changes that improve quality of play for miners and so he wants to punish miners by harassing them until they give up the game. In a way it's funny though since further improvements have been made to miners in part due to the increase in size of CODE, so it's achieving the opposite of what they actually wanted in the first place.


Here is what I send the ganked miner afterwards.

Citizen,

For the answer to why your ship was destroyed, visit www.minerbumping.com and read The Code.

Если ты русский, перейдите к http://minerbumping.41656.x6.nabble.com/The-Code-in-Russian-td5955.html

All players operating in New Order systems must follow The Code or be subject to bumping or ganking. In your case, ganking. I look forward to receiving your permit payment now that this example has been set for you. 10,000,000 ISK will provide you with permission to mine for one full year. A great bargain.

Yours in The Code,

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

I don't see this as berating him, griefing him or even insulting him. Its just a plain explanation of who ganked him, a link to find out why I did it, and an explanation of how to avoid it in the future. Any miner who finds it offensive is projecting, admittedly due to his shock and anger, but still I'm completely polite and even friendly in giving him what I see as good advice.

As far as CCP damaging their game in response to us, I'm saving that for the next poster who claims we are of no consequence.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#422 - 2016-09-14 18:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Do feel free to provide evidence of this allegedly frequent occurrence.

Interestingly, that particular character is in a corp full of helpless numpties.

They've had CODE roll through and pop a few guys.

Things that didn't happen: CODE berating, taunting, harassing, or doing anything beyond blowing up their ships.

What DID happen: Endless tantrums in corp chat about what awful people CODE are. Recurring flareups caused merely by a CODE member passing through their system. Rage, slurs, cussing, salt.


I think you should address that question to Lucas Kell..

Seems a bit odd, but every time CODE has ganked a miner in systems I have operated in they always post something about CODE being in charge or hisec and that they need to get a permit, then drop in the KM's which is a taunt. I find it amusing...

EDIT: And the post above details it, that is a taunt.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#423 - 2016-09-14 18:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Dracvlad wrote:
Seems a bit odd, but every time CODE has ganked a miner in systems I have operated in they always post something about CODE being in charge or hisec and that they need to get a permit, then drop in the KM's which is a taunt. I find it amusing...

EDIT: And the post above details it, that is a taunt.

It is obviously not a taunt, but a warning to those other miners: "We actually are in control of this system and we will enforce the Code". You may have noticed that we usually pod the offender, so by the time we display the killmail in local the receiver of the gank is usually no longer in system, so how can it possibly be a taunt?

EDIT:
Also the mail is a very politely written information about the reasons why the offender was ganked and how he can remedy the situation.

Evil RatKid
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#424 - 2016-09-14 18:44:44 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
EDIT: And the post above details it, that is a taunt.

Unless he believes it/means it - in which case it is something else entirely.

To be fair that something else might be even more disturbing if one doesn't believe he is role playing and instead believes him to be a brainwashed member of a cult - but it still wouldn't be a taunt any more than any other religious pamphlet you might be handed P

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Playne Jayne
Doomheim
#425 - 2016-09-14 18:54:40 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Seems a bit odd, but every time CODE has ganked a miner in systems I have operated in they always post something about CODE being in charge or hisec and that they need to get a permit, then drop in the KM's which is a taunt. I find it amusing...

EDIT: And the post above details it, that is a taunt.

It is obviously not a taunt, but a warning to those other miners: "We actually are in control of this system and we will enforce the Code". You may have noticed that we usually pod the offender, so by the time we display the killmail in local the receiver of the gank is usually no longer in system, so how can it possibly be a taunt?

EDIT:
Also the mail is a very politely written information about the reasons why the offender was ganked and how he can remedy the situation.


Of course not a mention of the fact that you insist said miners also change their bio, a capsuleer's most personal belonging, to include (at best) a 'verification' that they have paid, or in addition to that (as is more usually the case) a statement of praise towards CODE.

And of course once a miner has paid they are safe to mine. Of course they are....

Look, do what you do, no-one (including me) is telling you not to. But just KNOW we don't believe the bullshit rhetoric surrounding it.

Insulting our intelligence is worse than destroying a thousand of our ships.
Ginger Naari
Doomheim
#426 - 2016-09-14 18:57:59 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
That's certainly not the case, since in most cases the harvester goes out of their way to berate the target player after the loss to get the reaction from them. Then when they fail to get that reaction they get bored. Let's be real here, it takes no skill to take out a rookie player in a gankable ship so it's not for the challenge, and the rewards are virtually non-existent in a lot of cases so it's not for the reward, so I'd be pretty comfortable claiming that in most cases the goal is to get a reaction from the target. Certainly so in the case of CODE who have a website dedicated to humiliating the players they've managed to wind up into a frenzy.

FYI Ava, CODE only have the roleplaying element because when they initially started bumping they were told that doing it without a reason could be constituted as harassment (since that was it's intention) so they came up with the idea of trying to extort a miniscule amount of isk out of people as a way to give them a valid reason to be doing it. The basis behind it remains the same, James is butthurt over some old changes that improve quality of play for miners and so he wants to punish miners by harassing them until they give up the game. In a way it's funny though since further improvements have been made to miners in part due to the increase in size of CODE, so it's achieving the opposite of what they actually wanted in the first place.


Here is what I send the ganked miner afterwards.

Citizen,

For the answer to why your ship was destroyed, visit www.minerbumping.com and read The Code.

Если ты русский, перейдите к http://minerbumping.41656.x6.nabble.com/The-Code-in-Russian-td5955.html

All players operating in New Order systems must follow The Code or be subject to bumping or ganking. In your case, ganking. I look forward to receiving your permit payment now that this example has been set for you. 10,000,000 ISK will provide you with permission to mine for one full year. A great bargain.

Yours in The Code,

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

I don't see this as berating him, griefing him or even insulting him. Its just a plain explanation of who ganked him, a link to find out why I did it, and an explanation of how to avoid it in the future. Any miner who finds it offensive is projecting, admittedly due to his shock and anger, but still I'm completely polite and even friendly in giving him what I see as good advice.

As far as CCP damaging their game in response to us, I'm saving that for the next poster who claims we are of no consequence.



I'll put these here and leave this thread before I get banned.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6626902#post6626902

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6634606#post6634606

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6634975#post6634975


I'll let others point out the obvious hyprocrisy...I won't link the other post about gf, trolling or not.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#427 - 2016-09-14 19:06:41 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
I don't see this as berating him, griefing him or even insulting him.
I would consider being sent to the minerbumping site as berating him in itself based on it's content, not to mention that the whole concept of code is designed to accuse players of playing wrong and treat them like idiots if they disagree. Further, most CODE members tend to post in local, not just pop a mail then run off.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
Its just a plain explanation of who ganked him, a link to find out why I did it, and an explanation of how to avoid it in the future.
But let's face it, the link is not to find out why, it's to a bunch of blogposts insulting miners, why you did it is made up reasoning to cover the real reason which is that you get kicks off of disrupting the play of rookies and your how to avoid it consists of "pay us and stop playing the game the way you like to play if and if there's someone else around to gank we might not gank you".

Bing Bangboom wrote:
Any miner who finds it offensive is projecting, admittedly due to his shock and anger, but still I'm completely polite and even friendly in giving him what I see as good advice.
No, they are simply seeing around the bullcrap roleplay reasoning you use.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
As far as CCP damaging their game in response to us, I'm saving that for the next poster who claims we are of no consequence.
They aren't damaging it, they are making it better. The day CODE ceases to exist it will go up another notch. What you do isn't good for the game, it's kicking newbies in the nuts because they are new and patting yourselves on the back about how great you are for volleying a cheap ship.

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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#428 - 2016-09-14 19:13:29 UTC
Playne Jayne wrote:


Of course not a mention of the fact that you insist said miners also change their bio, a capsuleer's most personal belonging, to include (at best) a 'verification' that they have paid, or in addition to that (as is more usually the case) a statement of praise towards CODE.

And of course once a miner has paid they are safe to mine. Of course they are....

Look, do what you do, no-one (including me) is telling you not to. But just KNOW we don't believe the bullshit rhetoric surrounding it.

Insulting our intelligence is worse than destroying a thousand of our ships.


Actually, we only recommend that miners put the permit in their bio but admittedly, we hold the miners responsible if they choose not to and they get ganked. I know its subtle but there is a definite difference between insisting and strongly recommending. DISCLAIMER: I have required my war targets to put their support of the New Order in both their individual bios and in their corp descriptions as a term of surrender but that is a matter of war diplomacy.

It is also untrue that we say that owning a permit makes a miner safe from ganking. Without one they are targets but we require them to follow the entire Code. A miner with a permit who AFK mines or insults Agents in local will get ganked as they are not following the Code. A permit is step one. However, following the Code, I hesitate to use the word "religiously" but its the best way to say this, will make the miner almost impossible to gank. Its well known that alert, well tanked (and permitted) miners are going to not be even present when the gank ships arrive much less vulnerable to the solo cat pilot.

As for your last point. It's always been a great source of amusement to me that the reason we bump and gank is a greater source of controversy than the fact that we DO bump and gank. I suspect its because we put the onus on the miner for what happened and that gets back to the original point of this thread. Who exactly is the bad guy here and is this all a reflection of his actual moral character?

OK, its no mystery. Its the miner who is the bad person. (see Code, The)

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#429 - 2016-09-14 19:24:58 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Do feel free to provide evidence of this allegedly frequent occurrence.

Interestingly, that particular character is in a corp full of helpless numpties.

They've had CODE roll through and pop a few guys.

Things that didn't happen: CODE berating, taunting, harassing, or doing anything beyond blowing up their ships.

What DID happen: Endless tantrums in corp chat about what awful people CODE are. Recurring flareups caused merely by a CODE member passing through their system. Rage, slurs, cussing, salt.


I think you should address that question to Lucas Kell..

Seems a bit odd, but every time CODE has ganked a miner in systems I have operated in they always post something about CODE being in charge or hisec and that they need to get a permit, then drop in the KM's which is a taunt. I find it amusing...

EDIT: And the post above details it, that is a taunt.


Oh, yeah, that's some pretty scathing stuff. I haven't felt so triggered since I stumbled into a gatecamp and the bastards had the gall to drop a "GF" after volleying me.

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Playne Jayne
Doomheim
#430 - 2016-09-14 19:25:06 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Playne Jayne wrote:


Of course not a mention of the fact that you insist said miners also change their bio, a capsuleer's most personal belonging, to include (at best) a 'verification' that they have paid, or in addition to that (as is more usually the case) a statement of praise towards CODE.

And of course once a miner has paid they are safe to mine. Of course they are....

Look, do what you do, no-one (including me) is telling you not to. But just KNOW we don't believe the bullshit rhetoric surrounding it.

Insulting our intelligence is worse than destroying a thousand of our ships.


Actually, we only recommend that miners put the permit in their bio but admittedly, we hold the miners responsible if they choose not to and they get ganked. I know its subtle but there is a definite difference between insisting and strongly recommending. DISCLAIMER: I have required my war targets to put their support of the New Order in both their individual bios and in their corp descriptions as a term of surrender but that is a matter of war diplomacy.

It is also untrue that we say that owning a permit makes a miner safe from ganking. Without one they are targets but we require them to follow the entire Code. A miner with a permit who AFK mines or insults Agents in local will get ganked as they are not following the Code. A permit is step one. However, following the Code, I hesitate to use the word "religiously" but its the best way to say this, will make the miner almost impossible to gank. Its well known that alert, well tanked (and permitted) miners are going to not be even present when the gank ships arrive much less vulnerable to the solo cat pilot.

As for your last point. It's always been a great source of amusement to me that the reason we bump and gank is a greater source of controversy than the fact that we DO bump and gank. I suspect its because we put the onus on the miner for what happened and that gets back to the original point of this thread. Who exactly is the bad guy here and is this all a reflection of his actual moral character?

OK, its no mystery. Its the miner who is the bad person. (see Code, The)



That's the flaw in the CODE's own, well, code, though isn't it. It's like pyramid or get rich schemes, it all sounds great until you hear the 'now pay us this' option.

If a miner took every precaution the Code mentioned, before you'd ever even encountered them in game, was never AFK, tanked his ships as well as could be expected, and treated Code with respect in local...
...you'd still want that 10 mill, wouldn't you?

See.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#431 - 2016-09-14 19:35:45 UTC
Playne Jayne wrote:
That's the flaw in the CODE's own, well, code, though isn't it. It's like pyramid or get rich schemes, it all sounds great until you hear the 'now pay us this' option.

If a miner took every precaution the Code mentioned, before you'd ever even encountered them in game, was never AFK, tanked his ships as well as could be expected, and treated Code with respect in local...
...you'd still want that 10 mill, wouldn't you?

See.

And now see that is an odd point to single out since you (at least appear to be) on the side of those who would say that CODE. does *not* do what they do for the profit - you think they do it for the enjoyment derived from causing suffering to others... In which case the 10 mil would be irrelevant - as would CODE. compliance if there were no better targets around to pick on. Blink


OK OK - I'll stop jumping in for a while - argue amongst yourselves P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Lacori
Doomheim
#432 - 2016-09-14 19:40:38 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Playne Jayne wrote:
That's the flaw in the CODE's own, well, code, though isn't it. It's like pyramid or get rich schemes, it all sounds great until you hear the 'now pay us this' option.

If a miner took every precaution the Code mentioned, before you'd ever even encountered them in game, was never AFK, tanked his ships as well as could be expected, and treated Code with respect in local...
...you'd still want that 10 mill, wouldn't you?

See.

And now see that is an odd point to single out since you (at least appear to be) on the side of those who would say that CODE. does *not* do what they do for the profit - you think they do it for the enjoyment derived from causing suffering to others... In which case the 10 mil would be irrelevant - as would CODE. compliance if there were no better targets around to pick on. Blink


OK OK - I'll stop jumping in for a while - argue amongst yourselves P


You're missing my point. We all know that 10 million isn't profit, or at least you'd have to kill quite a few ships for it to ever become profit. No, it's not that. It's about power. The kid at school who demands the weak kid gives them their lunch money... is it because they can't afford it? Of course not. It's like any mugging. This is no different.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#433 - 2016-09-14 19:43:56 UTC
Lacori wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Playne Jayne wrote:
That's the flaw in the CODE's own, well, code, though isn't it. It's like pyramid or get rich schemes, it all sounds great until you hear the 'now pay us this' option.

If a miner took every precaution the Code mentioned, before you'd ever even encountered them in game, was never AFK, tanked his ships as well as could be expected, and treated Code with respect in local...
...you'd still want that 10 mill, wouldn't you?

See.

And now see that is an odd point to single out since you (at least appear to be) on the side of those who would say that CODE. does *not* do what they do for the profit - you think they do it for the enjoyment derived from causing suffering to others... In which case the 10 mil would be irrelevant - as would CODE. compliance if there were no better targets around to pick on. Blink


OK OK - I'll stop jumping in for a while - argue amongst yourselves P


You're missing my point. We all know that 10 million isn't profit, or at least you'd have to kill quite a few ships for it to ever become profit. No, it's not that. It's about power. The kid at school who demands the weak kid gives them their lunch money... is it because they can't afford it? Of course not. It's like any mugging. This is no different.

Interesting slip of the alt's there >_>

My own Corp member too <_<

Ah well P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#434 - 2016-09-14 19:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Here is what I send the ganked miner afterwards.

Citizen,

For the answer to why your ship was destroyed, visit www.minerbumping.com and read The Code.

Если ты русский, перейдите к http://minerbumping.41656.x6.nabble.com/The-Code-in-Russian-td5955.html

All players operating in New Order systems must follow The Code or be subject to bumping or ganking. In your case, ganking. I look forward to receiving your permit payment now that this example has been set for you. 10,000,000 ISK will provide you with permission to mine for one full year. A great bargain.

Yours in The Code,

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

I don't see this as berating him, griefing him or even insulting him. Its just a plain explanation of who ganked him, a link to find out why I did it, and an explanation of how to avoid it in the future. Any miner who finds it offensive is projecting, admittedly due to his shock and anger, but still I'm completely polite and even friendly in giving him what I see as good advice.

As far as CCP damaging their game in response to us, I'm saving that for the next poster who claims we are of no consequence.


I personally couldn't care less given code really doesn't affect me, but many people find that annoying for the pure fact that RPers are annoying.

I have nothing against you guys, but not everyone likes being given a message in a roleplaying format. That's not good or bad, it just is what it is. A conversation with them out of character would go farther to actually helping newbies improve

That being said, it's definitely better for a new player to actually educate themselves on ganking instead of raging about losing a ship. If people would calm down and learn they'd have a better experience. It's similar to when my first solo tower in WH space was destroyed. It was a horrible setup and it deserved to be taken out. I spent 45 minutes talking to the people who took it down and what I learned from them was invaluable. If miners/haulers did that when they were ganked, they would improve dramatically
Lacori
Doomheim
#435 - 2016-09-14 19:50:26 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Lacori wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Playne Jayne wrote:
That's the flaw in the CODE's own, well, code, though isn't it. It's like pyramid or get rich schemes, it all sounds great until you hear the 'now pay us this' option.

If a miner took every precaution the Code mentioned, before you'd ever even encountered them in game, was never AFK, tanked his ships as well as could be expected, and treated Code with respect in local...
...you'd still want that 10 mill, wouldn't you?

See.

And now see that is an odd point to single out since you (at least appear to be) on the side of those who would say that CODE. does *not* do what they do for the profit - you think they do it for the enjoyment derived from causing suffering to others... In which case the 10 mil would be irrelevant - as would CODE. compliance if there were no better targets around to pick on. Blink


OK OK - I'll stop jumping in for a while - argue amongst yourselves P


You're missing my point. We all know that 10 million isn't profit, or at least you'd have to kill quite a few ships for it to ever become profit. No, it's not that. It's about power. The kid at school who demands the weak kid gives them their lunch money... is it because they can't afford it? Of course not. It's like any mugging. This is no different.

Interesting slip of the alt's there >_>

My own Corp member too <_<

Ah well P


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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#436 - 2016-09-14 20:21:59 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

FYI Ava, CODE only have the roleplaying element because when they initially started bumping they were told that doing it without a reason could be constituted as harassment (since that was it's intention) so they came up with the idea of trying to extort a miniscule amount of isk out of people as a way to give them a valid reason to be doing it. The basis behind it remains the same, James is butthurt over some old changes that improve quality of play for miners and so he wants to punish miners by harassing them until they give up the game. In a way it's funny though since further improvements have been made to miners in part due to the increase in size of CODE, so it's achieving the opposite of what they actually wanted in the first place.


You conflate the creation of the permit as a means to justify bumping with the roleplay aspect which existed even before the permit and is just for flavor.

CCP's rules state that an ingame benefit (permit) is required or else it may be considered griefing, roleplaying has nothing to do with it.

Unlike forum carebears, CCP care about what you actually do, not why you actually do it.
If you want to test this, go bump someone continuously, don't ask for any money or anything but roleplay the whole time. Let me know how that works out for you.

You go on to say that the same basis for roleplay is used by gankers. As if gankers can't just gank but need to justify it with some sort of roleplay or charging a permit. Complete nonsense.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, but something tells me you still won't get it:

BUMPING requires justification (permit).

GANKING requires no justification. It is its own reward, the killmail generated is considered an in-game benefit.

I get this all the time from butthurt bears: "You guys only RP to justify your ganking!!!1" -as if we need to justify space-violence.

You never EVER have to justify the shooting of another player's spaceship. You can kill anyone for any reason. Don't believe me? Ask a GM.

Please learn the rules of EVE Online and stop spreading this carebear propaganda.





P.S. More "poor noobies" tears please, thanks.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#437 - 2016-09-14 20:22:11 UTC
Lacori wrote:


You're missing my point. We all know that 10 million isn't profit, or at least you'd have to kill quite a few ships for it to ever become profit. No, it's not that. It's about power. The kid at school who demands the weak kid gives them their lunch money... is it because they can't afford it? Of course not. It's like any mugging. This is no different.


My highlight.

And that's what we've been saying all along. We have a vision of highsec that involves us saving the highsec miners (and all of Eve) from bad habits like bot aspirancy, AFK mining and filing petitions against Agents of the New Order. And in the best tradition of Eve online we don't go demanding CCP change things to create our vision for us. We go out and implement a player driven solution to the problem.

Clearly people who have a vision of the game which involves AFK mining, not being blown up in a sudden and unexpected manner and frankly, playing the game as if it was a solo mining sim are going to not appreciate being made part of our world. Well, too bad. There are actions they can take, in game, which allow them to pretend to have control of their play style. The fact that we still enforce our vision on them is bound to lead to anger, insults and threats. Like calling us muggers.

We aren't bad people. We aren't latent pedophiles (I get that one a lot). We aren't bullies who enjoy bashing new players. (Side note: James has often recommended that CCP add a mission to the tutorial where new players go and read the Code. He also has recommended one where new players go and, attempt at least, to gank another player. Such an addition would eliminate a lot of the heartburn about the New Order and the Code.) What we ARE is winning. And that at the root of it is why people get angry and say we are bad people in RL (staying on topic doggedly).



Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#438 - 2016-09-14 20:28:22 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

Interesting slip of the alt's there >_>

My own Corp member too <_<

Ah well P


Lol

Now there's a behavior that's probably actually worthy of some psychoanalysis.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#439 - 2016-09-14 20:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Do feel free to provide evidence of this allegedly frequent occurrence.

Interestingly, that particular character is in a corp full of helpless numpties.

They've had CODE roll through and pop a few guys.

Things that didn't happen: CODE berating, taunting, harassing, or doing anything beyond blowing up their ships.

What DID happen: Endless tantrums in corp chat about what awful people CODE are. Recurring flareups caused merely by a CODE member passing through their system. Rage, slurs, cussing, salt.


I think you should address that question to Lucas Kell..

Seems a bit odd, but every time CODE has ganked a miner in systems I have operated in they always post something about CODE being in charge or hisec and that they need to get a permit, then drop in the KM's which is a taunt. I find it amusing...

EDIT: And the post above details it, that is a taunt.


Oh, yeah, that's some pretty scathing stuff. I haven't felt so triggered since I stumbled into a gatecamp and the bastards had the gall to drop a "GF" after volleying me.


Well I always thought that the whole CODE thing was a very clever windup of hisec players, obviously you aren't giving James315 any credit for just how well he setup CODE to annoy the hell out of its prey. But then again you seem a fairly simple player so I guess its over your head. Big smile

EDIT: Another carefully worded insult above, calling a miner a bot aspirant is meant to wind them up, me I just laugh, but for some miners who hate bots they get rather irritated. Like I said CODE have got this wind up approach down to a fine art, but its still taunting...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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#440 - 2016-09-14 20:34:15 UTC
Playne Jayne wrote:

That's the flaw in the CODE's own, well, code, though isn't it. It's like pyramid or get rich schemes, it all sounds great until you hear the 'now pay us this' option.

If a miner took every precaution the Code mentioned, before you'd ever even encountered them in game, was never AFK, tanked his ships as well as could be expected, and treated Code with respect in local...
...you'd still want that 10 mill, wouldn't you?

See.


First of all, there are no flaws in the Code.

Now, as to miners who follow the Code but don't buy permits having never heard of us. You ever seen one? I've seen players adopt all of the precautions of tanking, paying attention in local and even keeping jamming ships on station. They do this BECAUSE they have been ganked, because they've seen their fellows ganked and because they think they are the good guys and have honor and other useless qualities to miners. In any case, there are still plenty of untanked, AFK miners with anger management issues out there. Without permits we consider them all supporters of botting. The permit is how we tell who's on our side and who's on the bot's side.

Besides, you can still be bumped. Its not as common as it was before but for pure rage no gankee has ever matched the miners I used to bump for an hour while demanding that they buy a permit. Old school, best school


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