EVE General Discussion

All you safe space namby pamby dip wads who are about the bleat about trigger words or some other nonsense....

Consider the possibility you are being.....trolled.

Well it was my alt that blew you up, but anyway, have fun o7

Ummm..no. There is a difference between a game and reality. If you cannot differentiate between the 2, you shouldn't be playing games. A game is a fantasy environment. Do you assume that an actor who plays a murderer in a movie must be one irl? or have such tendencies? That's just ridiculous..as is your point. It's a game..nothing more..people play it to escape reality..not emulate it.

...you know..because irl I fly around in spaceship and pop innocents because I'm a b***h like that.......

Do any of us honestly think we'd be the same person if our IRL self were an immortal space captain who's also immune to imprisonment for some odd reason?

Certainly there's room to debate about the desire to antagonize others in a fantasy setting for fun and profit, but that's quite an extreme to suggest what in reality is a time setback in a game can be compared to being willing to take a large number of lives or create widespread destruction even if given the opportunity.

Players are at worst taking advantage of a game world designed to support these activities complete with trivial consequences for both aggressors and victims.

I'd just like to thank you for complaining about power projection once.

You did us a solid on that one. We owe you.

Entirely different question coming up now. Your original post tried to tie personas created in this setting to actual manifesting traits within the players playing those roles inside of a world build to support those roles.

Now you're using my rejection of that premise to try to somehow suggest I'm saying, effectively, that bad things can't/won't happen because they're beyond the capacity of any group of people. Problem is that isn't even remotely close to what I'm actually doing.

Fundamentally Eve isn't a realistically sustainable world. You speak about how easily one can fall into a state of anarchy by looking at how people react in an environment where that can never happen and they're fully aware of that. The assumption is carried largely here that interactions are sufficiently balanced and rules are enforced systematically and without exception.

Such an environment can't have a parallel here. And really neither can the individuals we're talking about. How nationalistic is an immortal space faring privateer? What sort of warped, currently non-existent psychology does that create? And what inherent reaction to this would the rest of the mortal population create to their abuses (especially when they know how these immortals came about)?

People are not saying they are not capable of this, if the conditions are right. They are saying that right now they play EVE and keep it in game. And actually the implications of what you write are quite the opposite of what you conceive. Boiled down your text implies that both those who play villain and those who did not are capable of doing bad things outside of the game. There is nothing supporting you should be more prone to this just because you like to play a villain in a game. Just because there will be some who do that crap in reallife, it does not mean everyone can't seperate it under the society conditions we have now (And this is what people claim). I would guess that among the people not ganking there will be just as many lawbreakers as among those that do not, and both would follow the RL population averages. There is no reason to make assumptions about other people without knowing them. They might be psychos or they might not, just like everother person who play EVE.

In short, because people with a poor grasp on reality often confuse it for fantasy, and vice versa. The notion that "you like killing people in halo therefore you must enjoy killing people IRL" is ridiculous, of course, because we have evidence to the contrary. Millions of gamers worldwide play these games, thousands play EVE, and how many of them exactly have gone on murder sprees or engaged in criminal activity of any kind?

This problem that some posters here are having to get a grip on reality, and separate it from fantasy, is their failure to understand consequence. People, especially religious people, often ask as a 'gotcha', "what determines morality?" Well, the answer is, consequences. Since there are no consequences in games, we don't have to worry about the moral implications of our choices. They simply don't exist in any tangible way. Maybe in an imagined way, but only for people who, again, fail to separate fantasy from reality.

In reality, however, we can determine right from wrong by understanding and/or anticipating the consequences of our choices and actions. NB: right and wrong aren't necessarilly determined by law, but many laws are determined by a perception of right and wrong. We do the same thing when writing rules for games, as well, including EVE, and there are in-game consequences for in-game choices and actions. However, none of those consequences affect our real lives in any way.

"But muh time investment!"

What time investment? You mean the time you had to waste to play a video game with? Because, let's face it, if you're playing this on time that you should be prioritising for things that actually matter in reality, then your problem isn't the game or anyone playing it, it's your own obsession that you have to contend with. At the end of the day, responsible people don't play video games on time that isn't already available to be wasted on virtually anything else they want to do with it, so your time investment is a moot point, because it was your choice and you made that choice fully aware of the risks involved.

"But the people you're being mean to are real people as well and they have feelings!"

So what?

"Well, there's obviously a part of you that enjoys being mean to them..."

How is that obvious? You haven't even defined 'mean'. The risks of logging in to this game notwithstanding, this is covered by the fact that there are no RL consequences in a game. None. Not one little iota of one. If people are not prepared for the harsh nature of this game, then they should not be playing it, and quite frankly, I have no sympathy for anyone whose biggest problem in the world is "SOMEONE ON EVE WAS MEAN TO ME!".

"Well you're just a big autistic bully with no empathy!"

Yes, actually, I am. Thanks for noticing. Honestly, I've been called everything there is to call someone in this game I think, and it's always delivered by the saltiest of the salty. Psycho, autist, sociopath, nazi, the list goes on. I always just nod my head and agree. "Yes, yes I am, thank you," I'll say. "I was wondering when someone would notice. Welcome to EVE by the way, if you need a new ship, I have a few for sale nearby." Trust me, the nicer you are to them when they get mad, the madder they'll get, and it's always hilarious.

There's no point trying to reason with people who get enraged enough to feel the need to hurl these things at you like pejoratives, and getting offended by them achieves nothing. There's no pleasing them when they've decided that you're literally the Devil, so just smile, wave, and put on your best impression of the politest devil you can.

Those of us that treat the loss of pixels with the insignificance that it deserves are too busy laughing at those that take the loss of pixels entirely too seriously; the latter group are being trolled, the former group are not.

its your alto-ego its still you, youre still being a a$$ in real life, you scam someone, you are REALLY scamming them, its not pretend. You shoot someone and blow up their ship, YOU have still done it. Your actions still have a negative effect on the person your doing it to. So to them youre an a$$. It isnt your avatar, its you personally. The only difference is you can get away with it.