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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#281 - 2016-09-10 11:19:17 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Here's a good thread in which I was arguing for a new sov system in which players would need to be alert and online to prevent their sov from being taken aka these days Fozziesov - Link

Take a look at all the hate and vitriol over the suggestions for something other than Dominion, many of the faces who turned out to be wrong are still here on this forum, spewing the same bullcrap, and most likely will be proved wrong again in the future.

Actually, what I see from your first post is agreement:

https://puu.sh/r6gtu/4ee70ad286.png

Not only there, but also further on.

The vitriol seemed more to do with you than with your ideas. But that is a separate issue with a lot of history.

Yes I was arguing for a NEW Sov system. They were arguing against it. Get with the program.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#282 - 2016-09-10 11:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Here's a good thread in which I was arguing for a new sov system in which players would need to be alert and online to prevent their sov from being taken aka these days Fozziesov - Link

Take a look at all the hate and vitriol over the suggestions for something other than Dominion, many of the faces who turned out to be wrong are still here on this forum, spewing the same bullcrap, and most likely will be proved wrong again in the future.

Actually, what I see from your first post is agreement:

https://puu.sh/r6gtu/4ee70ad286.png

Not only there, but also further on.

The vitriol seemed more to do with you than with your ideas. But that is a separate issue with a lot of history.

Yes I was arguing for a NEW Sov system. They were arguing against it. Get with the program.

Except they weren't. That wasn't your thread and reading a lot of it there is wide discussion around the need to change sov at the time.

Erotica1's first post for example was also about changing sov and making it accessible to smaller entities:

https://puu.sh/r6gNu/d6144a145e.png

She then agreed with you (see the earlier link) claiming you expressed it better.

Rose colored glasses, or whatever other magnifying glass you are seeing things through.

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Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#283 - 2016-09-10 11:25:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Giaus Felix wrote:
They're still pixels and Eve is a game where loss is meaningful; don't like it, don't play it Roll

They might be pixels but so are the pixels on a World Cup Scoreboard. Why don't you go to a world cup game maybe in Brazil, and interfere with a goal, then explain to the crowd its only pixels on that scoreboard....

Or go down the pub and mess up someones pool game and explain to them its just balls on the table and not that important.

If you're still alive come back here and report what you experienced. People play games as a form of entertainment and as a form of hobbying. Many take their games and hobbies very seriously. The former suggestion above will likely get you killed, literally and the latter maybe just bashed.

While in your own mind you might try to excuse your poor behaviour by dismissing the value of X because you feel X is unimportant, your perception is your own and you do not speak for the rest of humanity in regards to the value of X be it EvE, soccer, pool or otherwise.
The actions you suggest aren't within the rules of either football or pool.

This thread is about how people react to actions that are, currently, within the rules of Eve; which makes your comment irrelevant and somewhat off kilter, much like you.

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#284 - 2016-09-10 11:53:49 UTC
Giaus Felix wrote:
The actions you suggest aren't within the rules of either football or pool.


This, exactly this. If i sink everything and you contend that the game should change to allow you at least one shot before i drop the black, you're wrong and a sore loser.
If my team stymies your team's every attempt at scoring in football there's really no point announcing that you're not playing unless you get an even amount of time with the ball. It looks pathetic and not in a sporting or even competitive spirit.
If my corp squashes all your moon goo towers and three market pvp guys bankrupt your traders, well, get rekt. The horrifying and ridiculous losses sustained are what make any victories sweet. My breathless laughter at your downfall doesn't make me a bad person, but tell yourself that if lying on the forums or threatening to unsub doesn't do a damn thing.




Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#285 - 2016-09-10 12:24:36 UTC
Ginger Naari wrote:


Space pixels and real life are very much intertwined, those pixels have been built/bought by a REAL person, it's a REAL person behind them, it's a REAL person you just pissed off by these bully boy tactics. Their items and such don't respawn as in every other game, when they are gone, they are gone and have to be built or bought all over again. In some cases they have literally lost everything they own in game.

It's like walking home from the pub and getting mugged by half a dozen youths, you lose your phone, wallet, keys, pride etc. Are you going to go away and shout good fight, what did I do wrong? Why players think that the victim should act this way is way beyond me. In my case I know exactly what the gf would stand for.

Or, as people are saying, should I never go to the pub alone, I should always be with a mate?



This statement and comparison is not acceptable at all. The implication that loosing pixel is like being the victim of a crime is so offensive, I do not know what to say. What is wrong with you?

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#286 - 2016-09-10 12:47:49 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Here's a good thread in which I was arguing for a new sov system in which players would need to be alert and online to prevent their sov from being taken aka these days Fozziesov - Link

Take a look at all the hate and vitriol over the suggestions for something other than Dominion, many of the faces who turned out to be wrong are still here on this forum, spewing the same bullcrap, and most likely will be proved wrong again in the future.

Actually, what I see from your first post is agreement:

https://puu.sh/r6gtu/4ee70ad286.png

Not only there, but also further on.

The vitriol seemed more to do with you than with your ideas. But that is a separate issue with a lot of history.

Yes I was arguing for a NEW Sov system. They were arguing against it. Get with the program.

Except they weren't. That wasn't your thread and reading a lot of it there is wide discussion around the need to change sov at the time.

Erotica1's first post for example was also about changing sov and making it accessible to smaller entities:

https://puu.sh/r6gNu/d6144a145e.png

She then agreed with you (see the earlier link) claiming you expressed it better.

Rose colored glasses, or whatever other magnifying glass you are seeing things through.

Rose colored glasses or your inability to comprehend simple concepts. You seem very limited in your abilty to think critically. I dont think we're going to be able to agree on anything so Ill mostly ignore your posts unless you work a little harder at that comprehension thing.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#287 - 2016-09-10 12:52:12 UTC
Giaus Felix wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Giaus Felix wrote:
They're still pixels and Eve is a game where loss is meaningful; don't like it, don't play it Roll

They might be pixels but so are the pixels on a World Cup Scoreboard. Why don't you go to a world cup game maybe in Brazil, and interfere with a goal, then explain to the crowd its only pixels on that scoreboard....

Or go down the pub and mess up someones pool game and explain to them its just balls on the table and not that important.

If you're still alive come back here and report what you experienced. People play games as a form of entertainment and as a form of hobbying. Many take their games and hobbies very seriously. The former suggestion above will likely get you killed, literally and the latter maybe just bashed.

While in your own mind you might try to excuse your poor behaviour by dismissing the value of X because you feel X is unimportant, your perception is your own and you do not speak for the rest of humanity in regards to the value of X be it EvE, soccer, pool or otherwise.
The actions you suggest aren't within the rules of either football or pool.

This thread is about how people react to actions that are, currently, within the rules of Eve; which makes your comment irrelevant and somewhat off kilter, much like you.

Actually youre incorrect. Its not illegal in most places to interfere in a game. You might be removed by security from the venue but certainly not against the law.

In any case the issue being addressed was not legality it was your opinion that space pixels were not important.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#288 - 2016-09-10 12:58:14 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
Ginger Naari wrote:


Space pixels and real life are very much intertwined, those pixels have been built/bought by a REAL person, it's a REAL person behind them, it's a REAL person you just pissed off by these bully boy tactics. Their items and such don't respawn as in every other game, when they are gone, they are gone and have to be built or bought all over again. In some cases they have literally lost everything they own in game.

It's like walking home from the pub and getting mugged by half a dozen youths, you lose your phone, wallet, keys, pride etc. Are you going to go away and shout good fight, what did I do wrong? Why players think that the victim should act this way is way beyond me. In my case I know exactly what the gf would stand for.

Or, as people are saying, should I never go to the pub alone, I should always be with a mate?



This statement and comparison is not acceptable at all. The implication that loosing pixel is like being the victim of a crime is so offensive, I do not know what to say. What is wrong with you?


Thought police now, that is his opinion, while I don't agree with him either I understand the reaction from the player is because it matters because it has some value to them in terms of effort. Which is why I never got upset with people sounding off at me after I blew them up, the real carebears are those getting butthurt at people letting off steam, they have problems...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#289 - 2016-09-10 13:56:47 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think if it's legal in the game whatever happens is fair play and no reflection on you as a person.

In China it's common practice to spit on the floor, yet if you did that in Japan people would look at you in disgust and if you did it enough you would likely get arrested.

We are slaves to the social and judicial barriers set for us by a higher power. A person is not considered bad in China for spitting but in Japan he is. A conscientious person therefore would respect the boundaries of the environment they reside and act accordingly.


Stop over analysing it, in the end it's just about conformity and the people complain that x happened to them have just not conformed to the environment yet

You're attempting to explain away social progress with its its legal now its all good. That's nonsense. It was once legal to own slaves.

In EvE terms, it was once legal to invite a person to fleet to "help them" and then invite an alt you were at war with to gank them. That was defended as vigorously by knobs here on the forum as ganking is now. That was nerfed out of existence.

I once complained on these forums that capital projection was too powerful and we needed to have a cooldown after jumping - I was personally attacked and ridiculed for something like 80 pages or more. "It'll never happen you fwit" and so on was shouted at me. 2 years later.

If you disagree with something in game you disagree with it and you should express that disagreement. If people are so fragile and pathetic they can't handle a dissenting opinion then that's their weakness. If people are afraid to voice their own opinion for fear of the knobs here on the forum who try to shout every idea down then that's their weakness.

Here's a good thread in which I was arguing for a new sov system in which players would need to be alert and online to prevent their sov from being taken aka these days Fozziesov - Link

Take a look at all the hate and vitriol over the suggestions for something other than Dominion, many of the faces who turned out to be wrong are still here on this forum, spewing the same bullcrap, and most likely will be proved wrong again in the future.


You literally just said that the Japanese are more progressed than the Chinese

Nobody cares that you made a post years ago that so happened to be where the direction the game went, don't give yourself that much credit, its not deserved.

Those people that disagreed with you, could those be classified as dissenting opinions that you are too soft to take?

Hypocrisy thy name is Ziona

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#290 - 2016-09-10 14:05:54 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think if it's legal in the game whatever happens is fair play and no reflection on you as a person.

In China it's common practice to spit on the floor, yet if you did that in Japan people would look at you in disgust and if you did it enough you would likely get arrested.

We are slaves to the social and judicial barriers set for us by a higher power. A person is not considered bad in China for spitting but in Japan he is. A conscientious person therefore would respect the boundaries of the environment they reside and act accordingly.


Stop over analysing it, in the end it's just about conformity and the people complain that x happened to them have just not conformed to the environment yet

You're attempting to explain away social progress with its its legal now its all good. That's nonsense. It was once legal to own slaves.

In EvE terms, it was once legal to invite a person to fleet to "help them" and then invite an alt you were at war with to gank them. That was defended as vigorously by knobs here on the forum as ganking is now. That was nerfed out of existence.

I once complained on these forums that capital projection was too powerful and we needed to have a cooldown after jumping - I was personally attacked and ridiculed for something like 80 pages or more. "It'll never happen you fwit" and so on was shouted at me. 2 years later.

If you disagree with something in game you disagree with it and you should express that disagreement. If people are so fragile and pathetic they can't handle a dissenting opinion then that's their weakness. If people are afraid to voice their own opinion for fear of the knobs here on the forum who try to shout every idea down then that's their weakness.

Here's a good thread in which I was arguing for a new sov system in which players would need to be alert and online to prevent their sov from being taken aka these days Fozziesov - Link

Take a look at all the hate and vitriol over the suggestions for something other than Dominion, many of the faces who turned out to be wrong are still here on this forum, spewing the same bullcrap, and most likely will be proved wrong again in the future.


You literally just said that the Japanese are more progressed than the Chinese

Nobody cares that you made a post years ago that so happened to be where the direction the game went, don't give yourself that much credit, its not deserved.

Those people that disagreed with you, could those be classified as dissenting opinions that you are too soft to take?

Hypocrisy thy name is Ziona

The point you are so purposefully missing is that this is a forum for players. If a player has an idea, or disagree's with a mechanic then that player should and has every right to express their view on this forum.

Any monkey that takes exception to that or can't handle the fact that someone has an alternate opinion has my pity.

Including yourself and the troll above you whose posts are now invisible.

Thanks. Have a great life. Next pleb.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#291 - 2016-09-10 14:15:13 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think if it's legal in the game whatever happens is fair play and no reflection on you as a person.

In China it's common practice to spit on the floor, yet if you did that in Japan people would look at you in disgust and if you did it enough you would likely get arrested.

We are slaves to the social and judicial barriers set for us by a higher power. A person is not considered bad in China for spitting but in Japan he is. A conscientious person therefore would respect the boundaries of the environment they reside and act accordingly.


Stop over analysing it, in the end it's just about conformity and the people complain that x happened to them have just not conformed to the environment yet

You're attempting to explain away social progress with its its legal now its all good. That's nonsense. It was once legal to own slaves.

In EvE terms, it was once legal to invite a person to fleet to "help them" and then invite an alt you were at war with to gank them. That was defended as vigorously by knobs here on the forum as ganking is now. That was nerfed out of existence.

I once complained on these forums that capital projection was too powerful and we needed to have a cooldown after jumping - I was personally attacked and ridiculed for something like 80 pages or more. "It'll never happen you fwit" and so on was shouted at me. 2 years later.

If you disagree with something in game you disagree with it and you should express that disagreement. If people are so fragile and pathetic they can't handle a dissenting opinion then that's their weakness. If people are afraid to voice their own opinion for fear of the knobs here on the forum who try to shout every idea down then that's their weakness.

Here's a good thread in which I was arguing for a new sov system in which players would need to be alert and online to prevent their sov from being taken aka these days Fozziesov - Link

Take a look at all the hate and vitriol over the suggestions for something other than Dominion, many of the faces who turned out to be wrong are still here on this forum, spewing the same bullcrap, and most likely will be proved wrong again in the future.


You literally just said that the Japanese are more progressed than the Chinese

Nobody cares that you made a post years ago that so happened to be where the direction the game went, don't give yourself that much credit, its not deserved.

Those people that disagreed with you, could those be classified as dissenting opinions that you are too soft to take?

Hypocrisy thy name is Ziona

The point you are so purposefully missing is that this is a forum for players. If a player has an idea, or disagree's with a mechanic then that player should and has every right to express their view on this forum.

Any monkey that takes exception to that or can't handle the fact that someone has an alternate opinion has my pity.

Including yourself and the troll above you whose posts are now invisible.

Thanks. Have a great life. Next pleb.


Lol

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#292 - 2016-09-10 14:21:34 UTC
Immersion. Reality.

Even if you don't believe it's real, a more-or-less stable and familiar environment will drag you in. One allows himself to be immersed along with the comfort that brings. Until your perceived reality shatters once more and you find yourself adrift.

Then, existence. Immersion happens again. Reality takes shape.

Specks on a canvas, you and me both.
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#293 - 2016-09-10 15:43:54 UTC
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Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#294 - 2016-09-10 18:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Actually youre incorrect. Its not illegal in most places to interfere in a game. You might be removed by security from the venue but certainly not against the law.

In any case the issue being addressed was not legality it was your opinion that space pixels were not important.
Read it again, nowhere did I say that the actions you suggested were against the law; I said that they weren't within the rules of those games.

As someone who claims to have been a para-legal, and going by an old "I quit" thread claimed that they were training to be a lawyer, you should know the difference between the law and the rules of a game.Roll

On a legal note, either of the actions you suggested are likely to get you arrested or cautioned for public order offences if violence ensues.

I pity the poor bugger who gets legal advice from you.

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Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#295 - 2016-09-10 18:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Shallanna Yassavi
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Giaus Felix wrote:
They're still pixels and Eve is a game where loss is meaningful; don't like it, don't play it Roll

They might be pixels but so are the pixels on a World Cup Scoreboard. Why don't you go to a world cup game maybe in Brazil, and interfere with a goal, then explain to the crowd its only pixels on that scoreboard....

Or go down the pub and mess up someones pool game and explain to them its just balls on the table and not that important.

If you're still alive come back here and report what you experienced. People play games as a form of entertainment and as a form of hobbying. Many take their games and hobbies very seriously. The former suggestion above will likely get you killed, literally and the latter maybe just bashed.

While in your own mind you might try to excuse your poor behaviour by dismissing the value of X because you feel X is unimportant, your perception is your own and you do not speak for the rest of humanity in regards to the value of X be it EvE, soccer, pool or otherwise.

The difference between messing with a soccer match or a pool game and messing with someone EVE is we have tools in the game to make the offender(s) wish they hadn't done that, without going to their house. Someone scam-courier-contracts you to a citadel and locks the door, you can have it burned down. Someone likes to hotdrop a lone carrier, you can find someone else with a dread and a HIC.

Sometimes. When your target is a swarm of alts who never undock anything shinier than a cat, it's not really worth it to try to swat one. They're disposable, and that's the point.
Maybe you catch them with some flavor of stealth bomber if you're lucky.

Edit: the other big difference is you don't mess with a soccer or pool match over an Internet connection, unless you're DDoSing some world championship video game match or something like that.

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Commander Spurty
#296 - 2016-09-10 23:21:24 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:


Empty quoting yourself...

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#297 - 2016-09-10 23:26:10 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Commander Spurty wrote:

Empty quoting yourself...

Better watch out - I already hear Karma coming to get you...


CCP's forum software said "CHECK MATE". Hope you're still with us.

Now you broke your quote. I fixed it for you ^

Those open/close quote tags do actually matter you know - if you have trouble counting them I recommend using the "Preview Post" button.

And yes - I know the double posting is a forum bug sometimes if you click it twice while it lags - I just found it amusing given the post content P

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#298 - 2016-09-11 01:37:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Giaus Felix wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Actually youre incorrect. Its not illegal in most places to interfere in a game. You might be removed by security from the venue but certainly not against the law.

In any case the issue being addressed was not legality it was your opinion that space pixels were not important.
Read it again, nowhere did I say that the actions you suggested were against the law; I said that they weren't within the rules of those games.

As someone who claims to have been a para-legal, and IIRC claimed that they were training to be a lawyer, you should know the difference between the law and the rules of a game.Roll

On a legal note, either of the actions you suggested are likely to get you arrested or cautioned for public order offences if violence ensues.

I pity the poor bugger who gets legal advice from you.
Careful there Giaus, you might get some twonk riding a Nightrod, and wearing a wifebeater, turn up on your doorstep to give you a good talking to.

IIRC we're on rule #7 of being Infinity Ziona "I don't care that you think I'm wrong, I'm always right because my overblown ego can't accept anything else"

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#299 - 2016-09-11 02:53:09 UTC
because they can't seem to tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

it's just a game, why you has to be so fecking mad and i don't mean salty,, i mean totally and utterly bonkers.

when i play BF3 does that mean i long to be deep up to my neck in combat in real life? lol erm no.

when i play rust does that make me some kind of kooky survivalist that's just waiting for the end times ? erm again no.

take a good dose of kop the feck on and try to be a little realistic when it comes to playing a game.

yes,,, a game! Roll nothing more, a place where we play a role to create the game enviroment we all love,,,,,,, EVE

now crazys and bird brains please grab a spoon and get in in.
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Doomheim
#300 - 2016-09-11 03:46:35 UTC
Because it does.