EVE General Discussion

I would most likely brush them off and say "if you live in a Mad Max: Fury Road environment do you expect everyone to be nice to you?"

If anyone answers "yes" to that question, they don't belong in this game.

I do agree with Eternus8lux8lucis in that Eve Online allows us to see how we really are if societal laws in the real world didn't exist today. I have always wondered how it felt like to be the other end of a suicide gank so I stopped being a miner for a few days during the last-known Hulkageddon event and became a suicide ganker. I started to realize that even without societal restrictions in the real world I would most likely still have higher standards of my own. For example, I was mainly targeting mining ships that I suspect are botters at the time. Sometimes after ganking a miner I would give them quick advice on how to tank up their ships or stay alert. A sudden spike in Local in the middle of Hulkageddon should have been a red flag for these people. Those who were alert fly away to safety or were sufficiently tanked while the rest who were AFK at that moment would come back to their computers to see a smoldering wreck of what use to be their mining barge.

So I saw this is a means of getting miners to toughen up a bit so that only a smart and active miners can thrive while the botters and other AFK miners dwindle in numbers. Hulkageddon was a double-edged sword for me at least. On the one hand I was being the bad capsuleer attacking ships that aren't meant to fight back against PvPers. On the other hand I was actively hunting down bots who are known for hurting the bottom line for honest miners while teaching others to stop being so complacent about high-sec safety.

So perhaps deep down inside I would still maintain some morals even if the real-world society I live in were to remove all laws tomorrow. I just have to expect that the next person will not likely do the same.

PS: But let's face it, real-world societies would never get rid of law and order tomorrow. Humans, by their very nature, crave for law and order.

I could take it as a compliment if it comese from you

But you didn't suggest they were playing "Anything that can be played with playing cards," you specifically named poker, thereby constraining the rules to those of poker.

There is absolutely no analog for this in Eve. You cannot just log in and decide that you're only playing "Spaceminers" and that everyone playing with you is also playing "Spaceminers" and is thereby constrained to the rules of "Spaceminers", wherein blowing up Spaceminers with Spaceblasters is disallowed.



Uh, that's completely false. Eve has one set of rules - it just happens to be a long set.

Funnily enough, that's just what some people think. They think the rules are what they want them to be, instead of what they actually are.

I used to wonder why people with some obvious...sensibilities that run completely counter to being able to enjoy EVE (ie if you don't like the idea of non-consensual pvp, why would you play a game that is world renowned for exactly that), then i realized that it's not at all unlike how in real life people act as if their internal ruleset trumps everything else.




Allow me. EVE's Rules. If it ain't in there, it ain't a rule.

Apparently the irony is lost on you.

Except he knows full well I was talking about "rules" as in what separates different playstyles. He's just taken it out of context and is arguing semantics because his argument is weak.

Edit: also, there are rules that aren't there that will swiftly get you beaten about the head by CCP not to mention mechanically enforced gameplay rules that are not stated.

Another interesting example where there was no formal law, but informal/private law was Shasta county California. There a set of rules and social norms developed that became the "Law".

For example, if you "broke the rules" the first offense was there would be a gossip campaign and you'd get the cold shoulder treatment.

Second infraction you might find some of your cattle has gone missing. The cattle were not stolen, they were just driven up into the high country making it a PITA to go find them and bring them back.

Third infraction you were informed that...well...the local fire brigade might have trouble getting out to your ranch.

And this system worked. People were not riding around on their horses with flame throwers and playing guitars.

Now this doesn't always work. It tends to work when you have say a small group. As the group size grows and there is more anonymous interaction then it is easier for people to take advantage of each other in negative ways without repercussions except those provided by the person they have just taken advantage of.

And we see this in game. A large alliance will have a set of rules and if you do not obey them they'll punish you. Kick you out and if possible shoot your stuff if you try to evac it. When it comes to coalitions they will probably have something more like what you'd see in Shasta County. I know in the Imperium there were avenues for low level grunts to resolve their grievances which usually revolved around somebody not in your alliance ratting in your ratting space. You didn't rush out there and blow them up. You first try talking to the guy, inform him of the rule/social norm. If he still doesn't leave you take screen captures and contact your alliance diplo. The alliance diplo contacts the diplo from the offending alliance. They talk look at the evidence. The corp diplo goes back and tells the offender, "Stop, or else".

None of this is provided by CCP. Players set this system up and it works pretty well. When you sit and think about this it is actually pretty impressive. People playing a game who do not know each other personally can develop a system in which people can coexist peacefully.

I disagree..

Do you seriously think bumping/ganking/bonus rooms etc were intended game play when this game was made?

Yes it's a game, it's also a game that's repeatedly shouted about as having real consequences as well, such as losing everything when you die, your ship/cargo etc.

When a player loses like that, and poor game mechanics help to facilitate that loss, and he ain't rich enough in game or real life to just replace it, (or even if he is) then yeah, he's gonna be pretty pissed off about it and if he then lets fly with abuse, tough.

If he doesn't want his feelings hurt there's a simple solution.

I have a very simple suggestion:

Do not be imprudent then.

That's it. Don't be imprudent.

If you are imprudent, this is a game that will teach you the error your ways in an unpleasant manner.

Plenty of room in 0.0 if hi-sec doesn't suit you.