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[PIE] Coronation Fleet

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Matar Ronin
#41 - 2016-09-15 21:01:47 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Actually for your dog and pony parade some of us will fly around with the Purity Skins on our ships so your bloodthirsty band of cultists frothing at the mouth, lose control and attack.


"Also: Bwahahahaha!" ... or something.

Really, considering that every "Purity" SKIN in capsuleer hands was acquired by killing probably hundreds of "Purity" conspirators, it seems debatable whether bringing such ships to the coronation is provocation or homage.

"Behold! We provoke you by parading before you the proof of the deaths of your enemies!"

"Uh-- thanks?"
Perhaps those Purity Skins will deliver the message that opposition combatants can be killed but their refusal to accept the rule of another cultist on the blood soaked throne of skulls lives on.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2016-09-15 21:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Matar Ronin wrote:
Perhaps those Purity Skins will deliver the message that opposition combatants can be killed but their refusal to accept the rule of another cultist on the blood soaked throne of skulls lives on.


You do get that the "Purity" conspirators are revolting because they think only True Amarr have the right to rule and they think the Tash-Murkons don't count, right? That they're from the most extreme "orthodox" fringe of the "slavery cult" you hate so much?
Matar Ronin
#43 - 2016-09-15 21:09:50 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Perhaps those Purity Skins will deliver the message that opposition combatants can be killed but their refusal to accept the rule of another cultist on the blood soaked throne of skulls lives on.


You do get that the "Purity" conspirators are revolting because they think only True Amarr have the right to rule and they think the Tash-Murkons don't count, right? That they're from the most extreme "orthodox" fringe of the "slavery cult" you hate so much?
A House divided against itself will not stand.

You do understand that don't you?

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2016-09-15 21:39:20 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Perhaps those Purity Skins will deliver the message that opposition combatants can be killed but their refusal to accept the rule of another cultist on the blood soaked throne of skulls lives on.


You do get that the "Purity" conspirators are revolting because they think only True Amarr have the right to rule and they think the Tash-Murkons don't count, right? That they're from the most extreme "orthodox" fringe of the "slavery cult" you hate so much?
A House divided against itself will not stand.

You do understand that don't you?


The Empire's weathered worse. By a lot. Even disregarding the Khanid Kingdom's secession.

If I have the history right, at the time of the Moral Reforms, essentially a whole branch of the Empire decided to take its ships and go home (or find a new one, rather). They (the Takmahl) proceeded to kind of unintentionally prove the need for the same reforms they left over by producing a very short golden age of technological wonders before backstabbing themselves right out of having a civilization at all.

Civilizations that can't stay civilizations are something it's usually good to avoid having to live in. It's kind of my own reason for not thinking much of the Sani Sabik. They don't build to last.

The Empire's kind of managed to deal with the twists and turns of history-- for four thousand years.

It's pretty resilient.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#45 - 2016-09-15 23:19:54 UTC
Your time in the Empire and in one of their capsuleer corporations has made you quite the Imperial apologist Ms Jenneth. Your former self had a good deal of "integrity" in that although she was a blood-thirsty killer she was mostly logical and no particular friend of any specific faction. Since your sojourn to Amarr and subsequent settling down with the slavers, however, you seem to have lost your objectivity. Do you now consider yourself part of the Empire and an Imperial citizen? Have you settled permanently in Amarr space? Ever plan to try life among the Matari to gain an understanding of the other side of the coin?
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2016-09-15 23:37:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Nick Bete wrote:
Your time in the Empire and in one of their capsuleer corporations has made you quite the Imperial apologist Ms Jenneth. Your former self had a good deal of "integrity" in that although she was a blood-thirsty killer she was mostly logical and no particular friend of any specific faction. Since your sojourn to Amarr and subsequent settling down with the slavers, however, you seem to have lost your objectivity. Do you now consider yourself part of the Empire and an Imperial citizen? Have you settled permanently in Amarr space? Ever plan to try life among the Matari to gain an understanding of the other side of the coin?


I don't get what you're mad about. She didn't say "Amarr Victor, everything they do is right". She said "they're pretty good at keeping up with the course of history and staying afloat." And she's right, and it is indeed logical to deduct things that are historically evident.

I think it is you who are so blinded by your own current opinions about particular factions, that you aren't looking at this particular statement Ms. Jennet made logically. I believe slavery to be an abomination but that doesn't mean the Amarr are not resilient. Just because you dislike certain things about an empire, or anything really, doesn't mean you must always attack it whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#47 - 2016-09-15 23:52:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Bete
I think you doth protest too much Mr. Galente. I'm not "mad" and I think you're reading something into my words that's not necessarily there.

I asked questions to get clarification, not to start a fight. No need to be so defensive on someone else's behalf. Let Ms Jenneth speak for herself. Based on her response (or non-response should she decide not to answer) then I'll have a better idea where her loyalties lie and therefore whether to continue to view her words as those coming from a reasoned and dispassionate observer or just another Imperial mouthpiece with an axe to grind.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2016-09-16 00:04:14 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
I think you doth protest too much Mr. Galente. I'm not "mad" and I think you're reading something into my words that's not necessarily there.

I asked questions to get clarification, not to start a fight. No need to be so defensive on someone else's behalf. Let Ms Jenneth speak for herself. Based on her response (or non-response should she decide not to answer) then I'll have a better idea where her loyalties lie and therefore whether to continue to view her words as those coming from a reasoned and dispassionate observer or just another Imperial mouthpiece with an axe to grind.


To be clear, I'm not defending anyone personally, I was defending the concept that someone can praise one (1!) aspect of an empire without being an apologist of that empire.. I was more put off by your attitude than anything else, which, whatever you attempt to claim, was aggressive.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2016-09-16 03:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Thanks, Mr. Galente. Attitude or not, it's kind of a fair question, though.

Nick Bete wrote:
Your time in the Empire and in one of their capsuleer corporations has made you quite the Imperial apologist Ms Jenneth. Your former self had a good deal of "integrity" in that although she was a blood-thirsty killer she was mostly logical and no particular friend of any specific faction. Since your sojourn to Amarr and subsequent settling down with the slavers, however, you seem to have lost your objectivity. Do you now consider yourself part of the Empire and an Imperial citizen? Have you settled permanently in Amarr space? Ever plan to try life among the Matari to gain an understanding of the other side of the coin?


"Objective" is a little hard for a person who sees through just one pair of eyes at a time to be, Mr. Bete.

Before I say anything else: my predecessor was a really strong Caldari partisan, a Patriot. She'd have been a reliable rhetorical ally to Mr. Tuulinen. She was loyal to Achura, and saw the State as the sole reliable shield to her home. Even when she worked for the Angel Cartel, which she seems to have joined specifically to steal the Jovian technology she believed they had, she never really saw or spoke from any other perspective-- except, maybe, that of an "infomorph capsuleer."

It's to get away from her that I chose to leave the State.

To the rest....

For good or ill, the Empire is my home, now. There are people here I'm close to.

I am Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti's shadow. ... her aide, her retainer. Her friend, I kind of hope, though that's not really necessary and might not be desirable. The sword in her hand, the hawk on her wrist.

It's not that I agree with the Amarr about everything, or share their faith. I'm not an Imperial subject; in order to become such a person, I'd have to convert, and ... that's difficult for me. I find a lot to admire in the Amarr, but their god is not someone I find it easy to believe in. I'm a heathen foreigner, an Achur, still.

At the same time, I also need to be a little cautious. As the Directrix's servant, I'm also kind of an extension of herself, and she can be held responsible for some of the things I say or do. Even if there might be no direct consequences, I'm not doing my job very well if I cause embarrassment or trouble to her or the Society.

If I'm to be trusted, I need to be worthy of trust. I can't always say all I'd like to, or in exactly the ways I'd like to.

Likewise, I don't really have much of an axe to grind-- I don't particularly wish harm on anyone, at least for long (I'm terrible at grudges), and I'm not really a big believer in great causes, but, a capsuleer is a weapon, in the end, and an actual combat pilot most of all. Killing people is kind of what we do. It's not something I really regret doing. I kind of hope no one ever hears me say something like "it's nothing personal," though. It is personal. It's intensely personal; it's just ... not against the people I end up killing, usually.

I've considered visiting the Matari. I tried to find a host organization there at one point, but, couldn't. Now, it seems a little difficult, though you might still notice me trying to pick up what I can.

I don't really think they're the flip side of the Amarrian coin, though. The Matari are their own coin: entangled though their fates might be, I think the flip-side of the Amarr is something that exists here, in the Empire.

It's not something I'll see by leaving.

In the end, I'm not really a neutral person now, if I ever was. I still want to see the truth of things, though, even if I'm a little wrapped up in the world-- with unclouded eyes, as much as I can. I still want to be wise, instead of just clever.

Having a place to call home is a little important to me, too, though.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2016-09-16 03:59:01 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Thanks, Mr. Galente. Attitude or not, it's kind of a fair question, though.

Nick Bete wrote:
Your time in the Empire and in one of their capsuleer corporations has made you quite the Imperial apologist Ms Jenneth. Your former self had a good deal of "integrity" in that although she was a blood-thirsty killer she was mostly logical and no particular friend of any specific faction. Since your sojourn to Amarr and subsequent settling down with the slavers, however, you seem to have lost your objectivity. Do you now consider yourself part of the Empire and an Imperial citizen? Have you settled permanently in Amarr space? Ever plan to try life among the Matari to gain an understanding of the other side of the coin?


"Objective" is a little hard for a person who sees through just one pair of eyes at a time to be, Mr. Bete.

Before I say anything else: my predecessor was a really strong Caldari partisan, a Patriot. She'd have been a reliable rhetorical ally to Mr. Tuulinen. She was loyal to Achura, and saw the State as the sole reliable shield to her home. Even when she worked for the Angel Cartel, which she seems to have joined specifically to steal the Jovian technology she believed they had, she never really saw or spoke from any other perspective-- except, maybe, that of an "infomorph capsuleer."

It's to get away from her that I chose to leave the State.

To the rest....

For good or ill, the Empire is my home, now. There are people here I'm close to.

I am Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti's shadow. ... her aide, her retainer. Her friend, I kind of hope, though that's not really necessary and might not be desirable. The sword in her hand, the hawk on her wrist.

It's not that I agree with the Amarr about everything, or share their faith. I'm not an Imperial subject; in order to become such a person, I'd have to convert, and ... that's difficult for me. I find a lot to admire in the Amarr, but their god is not someone I find it easy to believe in. I'm a heathen foreigner, an Achur, still.

At the same time, I also need to be a little cautious. As the Directrix's servant, I'm also kind of an extension of herself, and she can be held responsible for some of the things I say or do. Even if there might be no direct consequences, I'm not doing my job very well if I cause embarrassment or trouble to her or the Society.

If I'm to be trusted, I need to be worthy of trust. I can't always say all I'd like to, or in exactly the ways I'd like to.

Likewise, I don't really have much of an axe to grind-- I don't particularly wish harm on anyone, at least for long (I'm terrible at grudges), and I'm not really a big believer in great causes, but, a capsuleer is a weapon, in the end, and an actual combat pilot most of all. Killing people is kind of what we do. It's not something I really regret doing. I kind of hope no one ever hears me say something like "it's nothing personal," though. It is personal. It's intensely personal; it's just ... not against the people I end up killing, usually.

I've considered visiting the Matari. I tried to find a host organization there at one point, but, couldn't. Now, it seems a little difficult, though you might still notice me trying to pick up what I can.

I don't really think they're the flip side of the Amarrian coin, though. The Matari are their own coin: entangled though their fates might be, I think the flip-side of the Amarr is something that exists here, in the Empire.

It's not something I'll see by leaving.

In the end, I'm not really a neutral person now, if I ever was. I still want to see the truth of things, though, even if I'm a little wrapped up in the world-- with unclouded eyes, as much as I can. I still want to be wise, instead of just clever.

Having a place to call home is a little important to me, too, though.


I am seldom home and I didn't grow up on Matar so I can't really help. Unless you felt like risking pickpockets and racketeers and having super-fine dust in your soup, I suggest against going to Skarkon.

Place's a demonstration of an actual Minmatar settlement at its very worst.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#51 - 2016-09-16 10:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
To all those who plan on participating in the fleet, those who would seek to disrupt the coronation, and the cluster at large:

A number of threats to the coronation of Catiz I and the security of the Empire itself have arisen since the original posting. The greatest of these is the so-called Purity of the Throne movement, and the Praetoria has been monitoring the situation and is actively pursuing the rebels wherever they may be found. Make no mistake: the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris considers all those who oppose the ascension and rule of Catiz I to be traitors in the first degree. Catiz Tash-Murkon is the rightful victor of the Trials, has been confirmed by all major institutions of the Empire, the legitimacy of her family is ensured by the Imperial decree of Emperor Heideran VII, and the legitimacy of her reign to be ensured by her crowning on the 27th of this month, 23,354 AD (118 YC). These facts are indisputable, and we ask that all right-minded capsuleers of the cluster aid us in quelling this rebellion.

The second threat comes from more mundane sources: malicious capsuleers. Rumors of, and outright declarations of ill-intent towards the Amarr Empire, Empress-elect and the coronation ceremony have made it clear that the malevolent and otherwise mentally unwell portion of the capsuleer community are likely planning to cause mischief at the ceremony as well. While they will most likely not pose a threat to the Imperial Navy and Empress-elect directly, they may disrupt proceedings and the fleets defending Her Imperial Highness. We of the Praetoria do not expect these elements to be much more than a nuisance so long as fleet discipline is maintained, but we will nonetheless be on guard and prepared to thwart their efforts.

All those who oppose Her Imperial Majesty will be crushed, their memories swept aside and forgotten in the coming ages of glory. If these traitors and terrorists seek to disrupt the coronation procession, we Praetorians stand ready to guard the sanctity of Amarr with our lives. All members of the fleet will be expected to do the same, and we ask that you come prepared to do your duty to safeguard the Empress-elect and the future of the Amarr Empire.

Amarr Victor.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Yarosara Ruil
#52 - 2016-09-16 10:47:35 UTC
Can't we all just be happy for the Amarr and watch the coronation at home like normal people for once?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2016-09-16 11:10:18 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Can't we all just be happy for the Amarr and watch the coronation at home like normal people for once?


No. Too boring and not enough drama.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Ilan Ardishapur
Purity of the Throne
#54 - 2016-09-16 11:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilan Ardishapur
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
To all those who plan on participating in the fleet, those who would seek to disrupt the coronation, and the cluster at large:

A number of threats to the coronation of Catiz I and the security of the Empire itself have arisen since the original posting. The greatest of these is the so-called Purity of the Throne movement, and the Praetoria has been monitoring the situation and is actively pursuing the rebels wherever they may be found. Make no mistake: the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris considers all those who oppose the ascension and rule of Catiz I to be traitors in the first degree. Catiz Tash-Murkon is the rightful victor of the Trials, has been confirmed by all major institutions of the Empire, the legitimacy of her family is ensured by the Imperial decree of Emperor Heideran VII, and the legitimacy of her reign to be ensured by her crowning on the 27th of this month, 23,355 AD (118 YC). These facts are indisputable, and we ask that all right-minded capsuleers of the cluster aid us in quelling this rebellion.

The second threat comes from more mundane sources: malicious capsuleers. Rumors of, and outright declarations of ill-intent towards the Amarr Empire, Empress-elect and the coronation ceremony have made it clear that the malevolent and otherwise mentally unwell portion of the capsuleer community are likely planning to cause mischief at the ceremony as well. While they will most likely not pose a threat to the Imperial Navy and Empress-elect directly, they may disrupt proceedings and the fleets defending Her Imperial Highness. We of the Praetoria do not expect these elements to be much more than a nuisance so long as fleet discipline is maintained, but we will nonetheless be on guard and prepared to thwart their efforts.

All those who oppose Her Imperial Majesty will be crushed, their memories swept aside and forgotten in the coming ages of glory. If these traitors and terrorists seek to disrupt the coronation procession, we Praetorians stand ready to guard the sanctity of Amarr with our lives. All members of the fleet will be expected to do the same, and we ask that you come prepared to do your duty to safeguard the Empress-elect and the future of the Amarr Empire.

Amarr Victor.


Mimic the girl all you want Lord Consort. A corruption has gone unchecked far to long, and any who insist on feeding this grievous wound will only continue to live in torment under the half-breed mutt. A mutt who will only continue to erode our long standing traditions. This so-called 'Empress' brands your fellow brothers and sisters of the Empire as traitors, for what reason. For upholding the values of our ancestors, the same values of a faith we all share.

Catiz Tash-Murkon has already proven her weakness twofold by unleashing the ravenous capsuleers on the faithful, and by refusing to acknowledge the true Amarr their rightful place upon the throne. You are gravely mistaken if you believe our efforts will be silenced, or quelled by such cowardly tactics. They only embolden our resolve.

To all who claim loyalty to the throne, and to our great empire; take heed. Do not allow yourself to be blinded by the pretender and her apologist following. Stand by the purity of our sacred throne and reclaim the glory of our past, do this or prepare to fall under the combined lash of the the faithful.

Amarr Victor.
Yarosara Ruil
#55 - 2016-09-16 12:09:11 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
No. Too boring and not enough drama.


I like drama as much as the next person, Mister Egivand. But the grade of drama I prefer doesn't usually leave an eight digit body count in its wake.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2016-09-16 12:34:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
No. Too boring and not enough drama.


I like drama as much as the next person, Mister Egivand. But the grade of drama I prefer doesn't usually leave an eight digit body count in its wake.


But the sort of drama capsuleers engage in usually do leave a large body count. Exceeds eight digits if it were nullsec alliances getting all angry and offended with each other.

Also, looks like we are going to witness a civil unrest.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Felise Selunix
Keyholder Investment Group
#57 - 2016-09-16 12:41:55 UTC
Sigh, like my aunt says, there's nothing like a public event for bringing interesting characters out of the asteroid belt.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#58 - 2016-09-16 13:04:22 UTC
Ilan Ardishapur wrote:
Mimic the girl all you want Lord Consort. A corruption has gone unchecked far to long, and any who insist on feeding this grievous wound will only continue to live in torment under the half-breed mutt. A mutt who will only continue to erode our long standing traditions. This so-called 'Empress' brands your fellow brothers and sisters of the Empire as traitors, for what reason. For upholding the values of our ancestors, the same values of a faith we all share.
Catiz Tash-Murkon has already proven her weakness twofold by unleashing the ravenous capsuleers on the faithful, and by refusing to acknowledge the true Amarr their rightful place upon the throne. You are gravely mistaken if you believe our efforts will be silenced, or quelled by such cowardly tactics. They only embolden our resolve.
To all who claim loyalty to the throne, and to our great empire; take heed. Do not allow yourself to be blinded by the pretender and her apologist following. Stand by the purity of our sacred throne and reclaim the glory of our past, do this or prepare to fall under the combined lash of the the faithful.
Amarr Victor.


I do not believe that you are an Ardishapur.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Ilan Ardishapur
Purity of the Throne
#59 - 2016-09-16 13:18:57 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
I do not believe that you are an Ardishapur.


I do not believe I care what you have to say heretic.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#60 - 2016-09-16 13:23:54 UTC
Ilan Ardishapur wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
I do not believe that you are an Ardishapur.


I do not believe I care what you have to say heretic.


You have two fleshy hands.

Therefore, I am right.

Silence, pretender.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.