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Smaller freighter, a welcome addition

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Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#81 - 2016-09-10 07:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pelletier
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
huh? i would use the hell out of this ship i just don't see how its worth it. you basicly want something with a slightly larger cargo than a max cargo orca and higher tank than a max tanked orca. what exactly is the reason not to use this ship? why would i use a DST if this thing out carries out tanks and is only a little slower to align


Ok, it's now official. You are ********. Let me explain again, slowly this time.


A FREIGHTER without the capability of a cloak/mwd option is still a freighter, even if you toy with its stats a bit, and has to rely on its EHP or requires a webber to be fast. This is what makes it balanced and means that for ppl who want the safety of cloak/mwd they could use the DST. This way DST, freighter, JF and the new one all have their own niche and use. None of them steps on another's toes.

Any ship capable of using cloak/mwd while actually (and in a realistic fit) haul a decent amount (~250) would be hilariously OP and render DST useless, as it would be a super DST. It would be FAR MORE overpowered than any freighter idea, it would be too good. I'd happily have one but they'd be silly.


So a freighter that focusses less on cargo and slightly more on speed/EHP is FAR MORE balanced than creating a 99% safe cloak/mwd colossus. How is this so fcking difficult to understand for ppl who claim to understand the game?
Zerzzes Markarian
McCloud and Markarian Trade and Logistics Corp.
#82 - 2016-09-10 07:57:10 UTC
Troll confirmed!

Your request: 30-40% more EHP, 20% more agility

Base Fernrir, max cargo: 179 EHP, 36s align time
Fenrir, 2 Interts, 1 Bulkh: 275 EHP, 25s align time ... (+53% EHP, -30% align time)

Even better than your request. Use tech I to get it down to your lower requirement.

Done.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#83 - 2016-09-10 08:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pelletier
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Troll confirmed!

Your request: 30-40% more EHP, 20% more agility

Base Fernrir, max cargo: 179 EHP, 36s align time
Fenrir, 2 Interts, 1 Bulkh: 275 EHP, 25s align time ... (+53% EHP, -30% align time)

Even better than your request. Use tech I to get it down to your lower requirement.

Done.


****** confirmed. Having increased/changed base stats means that you can still add rigs mods to augment or focus the ship further. How is this difficult to understand?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#84 - 2016-09-10 08:07:04 UTC
O.o now it gets rigs too???

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Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#85 - 2016-09-10 08:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pelletier
I'll take that back, I typed rigs instead of mods


Sad
Zerzzes Markarian
McCloud and Markarian Trade and Logistics Corp.
#86 - 2016-09-10 08:14:44 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Troll confirmed!

Your request: 30-40% more EHP, 20% more agility

Base Fernrir, max cargo: 179 EHP, 36s align time
Fenrir, 2 Interts, 1 Bulkh: 275 EHP, 25s align time ... (+53% EHP, -30% align time)

Even better than your request. Use tech I to get it down to your lower requirement.

Done.


****** confirmed. Having increased/changed base stats means that you can still add rigs to augment or focus the ship further. How is this difficult to understand?


Do you actually read what you write? In your OP you asked for 30-40% more EHP and 20% more agility. I showed you that you can get even more than that. Now you say you want even 40 % more than the +50% EHP?

Please write down some real numbers that you want, not just some vague +40% that is already there.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#87 - 2016-09-10 08:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pelletier
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Troll confirmed!

Your request: 30-40% more EHP, 20% more agility

Base Fernrir, max cargo: 179 EHP, 36s align time
Fenrir, 2 Interts, 1 Bulkh: 275 EHP, 25s align time ... (+53% EHP, -30% align time)

Even better than your request. Use tech I to get it down to your lower requirement.

Done.


****** confirmed. Having increased/changed base stats means that you can still add rigs to augment or focus the ship further. How is this difficult to understand?


Do you actually read what you write? In your OP you asked for 30-40% more EHP and 20% more agility. I showed you that you can get even more than that. Now you say you want even 40 % more than the +50% EHP?

Please write down some real numbers that you want, not just some vague +40% that is already there.



A ship that has its base stats increased will have.... the same increase percentage wise compared to a normal non-changed ship once mods get added to both ships. So a modded changed freighter will still have 40% more EHP than a modded standard freighter. Comparing a non-modded standard freighter with a modded changed one, for dramatic effect, is not logical.

Seriously, how did you get through college?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#88 - 2016-09-10 08:36:53 UTC
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Troll confirmed!

Your request: 30-40% more EHP, 20% more agility

Base Fernrir, max cargo: 179 EHP, 36s align time
Fenrir, 2 Interts, 1 Bulkh: 275 EHP, 25s align time ... (+53% EHP, -30% align time)

Even better than your request. Use tech I to get it down to your lower requirement.

Done.


****** confirmed. Having increased/changed base stats means that you can still add rigs to augment or focus the ship further. How is this difficult to understand?


Do you actually read what you write? In your OP you asked for 30-40% more EHP and 20% more agility. I showed you that you can get even more than that. Now you say you want even 40 % more than the +50% EHP?

Please write down some real numbers that you want, not just some vague +40% that is already there.



basically he wants JF stats at freighter cost

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Zerzzes Markarian
McCloud and Markarian Trade and Logistics Corp.
#89 - 2016-09-10 08:38:57 UTC
You cant write down numbers?

You want a ship that before fitting has the stats of a fitted freighter? And then beeing able to add more fitting? And this at a price of normal freighter or even less? And you call everybody else dumb? You basically want a faction freighter, but that would cost at least 3-5 Billion (if you look at the prices of other faction ships compared to their t1 versions). And then you're almost in the JF pricerange.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#90 - 2016-09-10 08:40:26 UTC
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
You cant write down numbers?

You want a ship that before fitting has the stats of a fitted freighter? And then beeing able to add more fitting? And this at a price of normal freighter or even less? And you call everybody else dumb? You basically want a faction freighter, but that would cost at least 3-5 Billion (if you look at the prices of other faction ships compared to their t1 versions). And then you're almost in the JF pricerange.


Go read the OP, apply the few brain cells you have and then come back.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#91 - 2016-09-10 08:41:02 UTC
.... i want a facton freighter.... O.o could you imagin what a blood raider freighter would look like O>O or a sansha god yes give me my reaver freighter

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Zerzzes Markarian
McCloud and Markarian Trade and Logistics Corp.
#92 - 2016-09-10 08:42:41 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:

basically he wants JF stats at freighter cost


Yep, but doesn't understand it.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#93 - 2016-09-10 08:43:00 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Troll confirmed!

Your request: 30-40% more EHP, 20% more agility

Base Fernrir, max cargo: 179 EHP, 36s align time
Fenrir, 2 Interts, 1 Bulkh: 275 EHP, 25s align time ... (+53% EHP, -30% align time)

Even better than your request. Use tech I to get it down to your lower requirement.

Done.


****** confirmed. Having increased/changed base stats means that you can still add rigs to augment or focus the ship further. How is this difficult to understand?


Do you actually read what you write? In your OP you asked for 30-40% more EHP and 20% more agility. I showed you that you can get even more than that. Now you say you want even 40 % more than the +50% EHP?

Please write down some real numbers that you want, not just some vague +40% that is already there.



basically he wants JF stats at freighter cost


JF has 80% more base EHP, so no that is not what I want.

I WOULD like a freighter that doesn't cost 6 times the price of a normal one for an option I don't need.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#94 - 2016-09-10 08:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
then use an ORCA!

WHY ARE WE YELLING NOW

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#95 - 2016-09-10 08:44:33 UTC
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:

basically he wants JF stats at freighter cost


Yep, but doesn't understand it.


I'll ask you the question as well. Does it make sense to do lvl 4 mission in high sec using costly Widow instead of a Raven just because it has a jump drive?
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#96 - 2016-09-10 08:45:18 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
then use an ORCA!

WHY ARE WE YELLING NOW


Because it's ****.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#97 - 2016-09-10 08:48:01 UTC
140km cargo
454k tank


why is that ****?????

BLOPS Hauler
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Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#98 - 2016-09-10 08:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pelletier
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
140km cargo
454k tank


why is that ****?????


Show us one that has that.


Here is where you realise, to your own horror, that you don't have a clue on what you're talking about.
Zerzzes Markarian
McCloud and Markarian Trade and Logistics Corp.
#99 - 2016-09-10 09:14:14 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:


JF has 80% more base EHP, so no that is not what I want.

I WOULD like a freighter that doesn't cost 6 times the price of a normal one for an option I don't need.


Base Fernrir, max cargo: 179 EHP, 36s align time
Fenrir, 2 Interts, 1 Bulkh: 275 EHP, 25s align time
Fenrir, 1 Inert, 2 Bulk, 313 EHP, 322s align time
Base Nomad, max cargo: 414k EHP, 25s align time
Noma, 2 Inerts, 1 Bulk: 465 EHP, 18 s align time
Nomad, 1 Inert, 2 Bulk: 529k EHP, 22s align time

So now, please give us numbers that you want for your dream boat. Do you know what numbers are?
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#100 - 2016-09-10 09:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pelletier
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:


JF has 80% more base EHP, so no that is not what I want.

I WOULD like a freighter that doesn't cost 6 times the price of a normal one for an option I don't need.


Base Fernrir, max cargo: 179 EHP, 36s align time
Fenrir, 2 Interts, 1 Bulkh: 275 EHP, 25s align time
Fenrir, 1 Inert, 2 Bulk, 313 EHP, 322s align time
Base Nomad, max cargo: 414k EHP, 25s align time
Noma, 2 Inerts, 1 Bulk: 465 EHP, 18 s align time
Nomad, 1 Inert, 2 Bulk: 529k EHP, 22s align time

So now, please give us numbers that you want for your dream boat. Do you know what numbers are?


Funnily enough, your numbers are wrong. a Max cargo nomad doesn't have 414k, it has 320k EHP. A 1 bulkhead Nomad has 494k, not 465 and a 2 bulkhead one has 562k, not 529. Either way, I stated a JF has 80% more base EHP compared to a normal freighter which is correct. So JF levels of EHP isn't what I asked for.

Also a Nomad with 1 bulkhead gets 146K cargo, with 2 bulkheads that drops to 130K while the ship costs.... 7 bil. So a Nomad doesn't have the cargo we're looking for (it's way too close to a DST to be logical) and is WAY to expensive to be used as a generic hauler because it has options that aren't needed for that. Its increased price makes it an obvious gank target in and of itself. How often does this need explaining?


What I'm looking for is a new freighter that has 20% more agility and speed (with slightly increased warp speed) compared to a standard one and 40% more EHP compared to a normal freighter, while having 250K base cargo. Which can then be augmented using modules just like normal freighters. I'm sure you can do the math on that, it's not very difficult. Then again, you had the Nomad numbers all wrong so it might just be a bridge too far.