Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please explain HOW it's even possible to lose a jump freighter to gankers, assuming you have a pulse. Have you never heard of an exit cyno?

How much EHP do you want your new baby freighter to have? Why do you think that is acceptable, and that an entirely new ship class needs to be added because you cannot be bothered to use a scout/webbing alt, and wish to completely avoid fitting compromises.

Why do you even perceive a gap here? What role are you trying to fill that a normal freighter can't do?

If you're going to accuse me of whatever the hell that edit was, can you maybe not act like a tremendous homophobe?

Not much. Stats wise I'd probably give it ~20% more agility and speed while having some 30-40% more EHP compared to a normal freighter, which given that it's less of 1/3rd of the cargo sounds sensible to me. Again, I'm not looking for overpowered "can tank Cthulhu himself" lol levels of tank but lets be honest ganking freighters is just too easy.

It would be a combination of increased speed, increased survivability at the cost of much less cargo, requiring the same skills as a normal freighter and probably for a similar price/cost. Not OP, not unbalanced.

Most of your questions are explained in the post above. Your logic is backwards btw, you're stating that if you're using an 8 bil ship you better be ready to have an exit strategy and you're right on that, thing is that I'm saying "the concept of flying an 8 bil ship in high sec, sans cargo, is a silly notion given the prevalence of ganking. I'll gladly trade pure cargo space for slightly increased speed and EHP".

On Cyno range, lets pick a fairly logical route: Jita to Agil. That is going to require more than one cyno location. And again, the whole "use the cyno dummy" stems from the JF not being a HS logical ship which is exactly WHY I'd like to have an alternative.

lolwut? (it's new word I just learned..)

What -ship am I suggesting you make in an online world with more than one player on? You can find the answer in all o7 show on twitch, youtube, facetube, twittle, read-stumble and whatnot.

I can see where OP is coming from: need to transport stuff but don't want to exceed 1bil in cargohold ... find cargohold 70% empty but it'd still take three DST runs to get there (or two Orca runs but those warp slower so no-go) am I right?

Bite the bullet man. Use a DST. I too would buy a demi-freighter if I could but it'd probably have to be slower, wouldn't have a MWD slot to get in warp and at the end of the day, I'd amount to the same.

In other news, I did post a proposal for an improved faction DST and even I don't know if I'm serious or not. 40 jumps in a DST is painful. 40 jumps in an Orca is painful. 40 jumps in a Freighter is painful. Basically you just have to sit down and get it over with because somehow, the goods gotta get there. Another transport won't make it any less painful I'm afraid.

Just hit 96 jumps, 7 more to go before I dock 'er up and bid you all goodnight. Trust me my friend, I know ... I know.

God hates haulers.

On a more serious note you should just use..... A freighter. Pair that woth not being bad and lazy and you have a good ship to haul with. Save your isk and train into a Jump Freighter with a mid-grade Nomad set with a webber and exit cyno ready and you have a dummy-proof way to haul.

Sorry, no.

Bringing RL politics into thread doesn't make it better.

oh this guy just doesn't know how hauling works at least the thread is understandable now


you do understand a DST flown by any decent pilot is one of the hardest things to gank in HS right?

This topic comes up about once every six months.

One thing to keep in mind about the Orca really is that roughly 1/3rd of it's vaunted cargo capacity is in the Ore Bay. You can get about 100k out of it for other things, without fitting for cargo That said it is a good general purpose hauler in the range the OP is looking for. It can tank reasonably well (I have a cyno bait orca that tanks something like 1100 DPS for plenty long enough to wait for CONCORD). And it can use drones, so you can even get on the kill mails.

JFs are a good intermediate sized freighter, regardless of what the OP thinks. They have the cargo capacity, the agility, and the EHP that the OP says he wants - in addition to a GTFO button. For that, you pay a premium, just like you do with any T2 ship. Hell you can get an Anshar up to around 900k ehp just with T2 bulkheads, and still have 120k m3 of cargo space. Are they expensive? Hell yes, and they should be, otherwise no one would fly the T1 versions.

But guess what? None of this will stop you from being ganked. You know why? Because it's just maths. I can figure out how many tornadoes I need to bring to alpha your freighter, or orca, or JF straight off the field with no chance for you to even rep. I don't even care about DPS - it's all about alpha. If you want to avoid being ganked, your have two choices:

1) Don't get caught - use scouts, web alts, and things like zkill and the gank intel channel to id where the gankers are and do not go there.
2) Be able to escape - at this JF's can do what no other hauler in the game can do - vanish on the spot. Heck they can even skip the chokepoints all together with properly placed cynos. I know JF pilots that use cynos in lowsec to skip HS systems to make their route shorter. Sure they lose cynos, but those are cheap as chips compared to losing a freighter (even a normal one).

tl;dr: What the OP wants already exists in the game, as others have said. There's really no need for another ship in that class, and any ship they did introduce would probably be a sub par option.

Edit: if what you really want is a ship you can afk pilot all day without worrying, then you're SOL. That's not going to happen.