Ships & Modules

Hey guys,

So I'm getting in to my first Endurance ship tonight and am in the process of trying to finalise the fitting that I'm chasing. I've read through all the E-Uni stuff, and any fitting threads that I can find on here and have some questions before I go into my fit.

It's mainly, at this point, for some wormhole ice mining and with the fit below I have enough CPU, PG and it's cap stable at about 55%.

1. Would having a Warp Core Stabilizer or two not be potentially better filling up the lows with Ice Harvester Upgrade modules? Most fits ignore the WCS's in preference of the IHU's.


2. Most fits that I've found show preference of Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints over Small Polycarbon Engine Housing rigs. There is only a slight difference in align time when fitting between the two of them (0.3 seconds) compared with, roughly, a 100m/s speed increase. I'm not why the Engine Housings are not used in most other fits?


3. I have the CPU and PG for either 2 Small Shield Extenders or 2 Adaptive Invulnerability Field modules. The AIF's give me more EHP (about 700) but, obviously, less overall shield. There is a bit of an EM hole but if I take an EM Ward Field and Small Shield Extender it's not as bad. It doesn't look like there's much love for the Extenders, and I was wondering why? (It's starting to look apparent now though...)


4. I looked at having a 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner, instead of the 1MN variant. It's double the velocity, but I'd have to sacrifice one of my rigs for a Small Ancillary Current Router and make some other changes. Would there be any major advantage in going for a bit more of a speed tank over some align time and shield tank instead?


5. Final question, should I be considering more ECM modules? I saw more than one fit that had at least one ECM module in there, but I've never used them so don't know if it would be as useful as a bigger shield tank?

Ok, so, with all of that, I'm thinking that my fit would be something like this:



I think I'm starting to see my problem, I'm not really focusing one one or two aspects. I just changed the second Polycarbon Housing into the Core Defense rig and liked the 1k boost to EHP. But not my signature radius has gone up, I've dropped a little speed and my align time increase.

I suppose my main question would be, will a set of EC drones be enough to break a lock if I manage to miss someone coming in? If so, I'd choose a fast align time and smaller sig.

This $***'s too hard ;)

Thanks.

99.999999% of eve does not mine ice in wh. There are quite a few good reasons for that. If this isn't a bait endurance - you're going to end up sad and/or frustrated.

Ice is in the shattered systems which are both huge (many au across) and have a lot of wh connections. To ice mine in one with a reasonable modicum of safety you'll have to scan out all the signatures - an hour or so. Set scouts on all the wh connections (probably 4 characters on average) and get to work. One endurance mining ice isn't going to make all that effort pay off.

The issue w/ shattered systems being large is that I can enter the system off of your d-scan and cloak. I can then find you, talk to my buddies for hours (that's how long ice mining takes) and we can set up the perfect trap at our leisure. That trap could be bubbling your return route and spooking you to the trap. Grabbing you with a insta-locking bombers in the belt.... and so on.

The path to wh ice mining is paved with tears and shattered ships and pods. You'll be happier juggling chainsaws blindfolded.

Thanks! Yeah, I (thankfully) found this out before I undocked. So instead I moved it down to null and started mining there instead.

However, whilst the info so far has been good, I was more interested in learning why some fits seemed quite common as I haven't built many fits up from scratch before.

Not worth it. Even a sole faction scram would pin you down, and the point of the cloak is to avoid getting pointed in the first place. In short, if you fit your Endurance to wait until then to bail, you're already smoked.

A 10MN will save you a lot more than any extra shield buffer would since you don't have an exit strategy if caught.

Speed is always the key with these kinds of ships as they often not combat capable and can't fit significant enough tank to survive a gang until help arrives

Just go max yield with as much agility and velocity you can get. Damage control might make sense to tank the thing pointing you until you can get rid of it.

I might even suggest sticking a defensive scram on your ship to shake off something fast like a Sabre that just won't go away

I might re-look at this down the track then, but so far it's been easy enough in null so I might start to look for a way into wormhole ice mining whilst doing that.

Thanks!

Warp core stabs are negated by interdictor bubbles. Fit them in low sec not null sec. The cloak is more use to you.

I've actually read that through a couple of times: when I first started and more recently. It was definitely useful and I would love it if you reopened and added to it. It got me to the point of choosing the correct hull and main fittings but I still struggled a bit with some of the more specific parts.