EVE General Discussion

Again a classic lack of knowledge about hisec, first of a very large majority of hisec characters are in fact alts of null sec and low sec players and they have no interest at all in doing anything apart from the stuff they do in hisec to make ISK or make stuff etc.

They just do not crae about CODE or Miniluv and their multitude of citadels dotted along the pipes. There is no way enough people will get together to do anything like this. Another aspect is that there is no value in taking down a Citadel which they can easily afford to replace from the huge number they have already looted.

Truthfully though I am surprised that the war dec entities have not gone for it for fun, but they cannot be bothered either.

So in a nut shell no one in hisec gives a rats ass....

I feel like I've been butting heads with Jenn a bit much lately - so I'm going to do him a favour and not quote your post Dracvlad


However I do have to disagree with you on that one - even if you exclude all of the low/null sec alts in high sec (and I'll grant you there are a lot of them) - there are *still* enough genuine high-sec residents who dislike CODE. and/or constant wardecs left to easily blob and kill any of the high-sec wardec entities or CODE. - and quite possibly enough to swarm them all at once.

The greater obstacle is a lack of diplomacy, inter-group discussion, and leadership. The people are out there, and the anger/rage is pretty wide-spread as well... But nobody is reaching out to bring groups together or leading any kind of organized resistance to any of the groups "oppressing" them.

You say there is no value in killing a Citadel that they can easily replace... which is a refrain I've been hearing often since it was brought up that they openly have Citadels that they are using.... but by that logic there isn't anything in EVE they can't afford to easily replace - so there is no point opposing them at all. You should just admit that they've won, and cede them "control" of high-sec, such as it is...

I mean this isn't a 10m catalyst here - this is a 1.5 *billion* isk citadel - plus the fee to get their assets back if they don't want to wait out whatever the timer is... Unless CODE. starts flying jump-freighters or officer-fitting their ships, you are *never* going to get a bigger target to hit...



As for why the mercs aren't hitting them - most of the mercs are either apathetic to CODE. or supportive of them by now. Some of them appear to have made some efforts to fight against them - from joining the anti-ganking channels to try to give advice to actually declaring war on them for a while in the case of marmites... But they found that they still gained no popularity or support among the anti-CODE. crowd, and were simply wasting their time for no reason. Being allied with CODE. is in fact much easier - they aren't paranoid about allies and don't ask anything of anybody for the most part...



You are correct though - nobody in high-sec seems to care enough to do anything - so they'll have to live with the consequences of that apathy (if they are a miner/autopilotter anyway)

It is not a question about winning, people are just not bothered about them to the degree that they would group up to blap a Citadel or pay mercs a massive silly amount about 15 times more than the value of the citadel.

You should try to organise something in hisec, it is like herding cats, its like that in nullsec too at times, but hisec is just many times worse. Seriously it is not going to happen.

Keep slapping Jenn a'Snide, that thing deserves it, biggest airhead on the forums, its reply to you was laughable, I sniggered...

Well suit yourselves but people can't consciously choose not to destroy the things they *can* destroy and then complain that they can't hurt their enemy.

And Jenn aSide isn't so bad - just some advanced bittervet syndrome coupled with a bit of bias in favour of his chosen area of operations and associates.

It is not a case of suit yourselves, there is no will, we talked about this on the issue with people no longer fighting war decs, the same thing here, there is absolutely no value in taking out one of these Citadels, they are meaningless. In fact some people like the gankers using them, because they can be bumped out of range and kill rights used...

That person is a self absorbed troll, who like to tell everyone how wonderful they are, biggest bore on the forums, it does know how to min max PvE that is for certain, but comes out with classics like CODE did not gank my bling fit Macherial doing level 4's so aren't I great at this game... I still laugh at that one, classic...

But you ignored the part where I said that CODE cannot win either. Not much of a surprise that

In other words CODE cannot be defeated but they cannot win either.

He used to say that about Goons too.

Pssst, you messed up your quote. I said that, not Shae.

Also my original comment was half-serious at most - you are getting way too worked up about this.


The "go to 0.0" comments I'm talking about weren't from this discussion specifically - though you did add to them with your "get out of high-sec" - it is just an often-repeated refrain that all of us hear entirely too often from people who live in 0.0. Pardon me for not digging deeply into your specific words the 10 millionth time I've heard one of you say it


As for your list of options:
#1 - PvE in quiet low-sec systems is awful - you make as much or more money in high sec. The good systems are occupied.
#2 - Sure, you can, but as previously stated most high sec residents don't *want* to do PvP...
#3 - Empty wormholes that are worth doing PvE in are even rarer than quiet low-sec systems worth occupying. Plus I keep hearing reports of noobs trying to set up in wormholes and instantly being jumped by the WH mercs w/ ransom demands/etc...So even the empty ones seem to have scouts in them for the most part...
#4 - Heh, that'll go about as well as invading someones sov space for PvE
#5 - See #2.
#6 - Finding a *good* wormhole corp that accepts people clueless about wormholes is harder than you might imagine - particularly as they are paranoid about spies and thieves.
#7 - Much like low-sec, but even more so - the systems worth occupying are taken.
#8 - See #2.
#9 - Fishing for easy kills to blob again?
#10 - See #2.
#11 - As previously mentioned - most corps I've seen that recruit clueless noobs are quite lazy about actually helping them with relocation. Particularly if the player has played long enough in high sec to establish assets they don't want to simply abandon - but not long enough to just buy all new stuff in their new home.

It can certainly be done - but it is an awfully complicated process for 1 simple phrase - even if you give them more options than the stereotypical 0.0 elitist who demands that they specifically come to 0.0.



And as previously stated - for my initial comment, which started all this discussion: I was just making a joke. Because while 10 million is clearly an exaggeration I'm not kidding I hear 0.0 residents or people who *claim* to be 0.0 residents demanding that people "go to 0.0" *WAY* too often. And yet when people actually take them up on it for any reason the very same 0.0 residents will freak out and blob them and get territorial - wanting them to leave immediately, preferably by the Medical Clone Express. I find it to be an amusing contradiction.

I bet very nearly every non-0.0 resident reading this thread got my joke immediately. And many 0.0 residents probably got it as well - even if they don't want to admit it.

What am I conflating again?

Learn to quote dickhead.

Why would an incursion runner pop a Miniluv Citadel, most of them don't know who Miniluv are. And what benefit would they have, you could ask the indy character of a 0.0 player the same question, and the rest are setup to avoid war decs. There are some players that would like to do it, I was one of them, but I could not see anyway to get enough people in the right setup. Perhaps if you think it is possible give it a go yourself.