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Well that is what happens when you join a corp dedicated to a food item >_>

Knock it off already. Hanging another person's dirty laundry out in the open ... not cool.

It's irrelevant to the 'topic' at hand, it's just lashing out to lash out. Is someone on trial?

If I had to compile a list of nonsense some posters on these forums produce on a daily basis, you'd need a wheelbarrel to move all that bullcrap.

Most of them don't want to fight at all - that is why they live in high-sec in the first place - they either don't *want* to fight for resources or (more likely) they don't have the friends/etc to enable them to beat your blob.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to use your blob - I'm saying you are a beautiful example of the ridiculous hypocrisy of null-sec residents - demanding that high-sec residents come out to their space, blobbing them to death as an unwelcome intruder, and then laughing at them for being dumb enough to do what you told them to do in the first place.

I haven't decided yet if this is *intentional* - and you just want to lure in easy targets to farm.... Or if you are really so ****ing stupid you don't see the obvious contradiction between what you constantly say and what you constantly do... I suppose it varies from person to person, and there are some of both.

Everyone generalizes for every group they speak about - obviously I have neither the time nor the inclination to write up a separate analysis of each individual null-sec resident.

The fact is, however, that the "go to 0.0" mantra is the most common thread heard from most 0.0 residents who ever deign to speak to non-0.0 residents for any reason in any environment. Not just on the forums, but in in-game channels as well.

You will note that Zanar never claimed he didn't say it, or didn't believe it - he is trying to argue and justify why it is still true, even while he argues that he is going to blob anybody who listens to him and comes to 0.0



In any case, it isn't a serious problem or a major issue in any way - just an interesting contradiction that I felt like pointing out to lighten up the thread a little. Feel free to disregard it if you like - I have an odd sense of humour sometimes.

Issue is that it is hard for newbies to join a null corp or alliance in the first place.
WIth NBSI in 99% of the areas and lack of contacts (face it most newbies who manage to get into Null corps, happen to know someone who is in a null corp, be it forums / RL / reddit).

A fresh 5m SP newbie (which is what the F2P nonsense will bring in) unlikely will have that kind of connections.
At least it is not so bad with WH corps which do operate from high sec at times.

Otherwise the newbies join up CVA which IIRC enforces NRDS, but is CVA still alive anymore ?
Being away for far too long.

The one or two you send out learn something about how to fight when the game isn't N+1.

It's like the hibears and CODE: if the bears wanted to, they could take down CODE. citadels. The mission runners can put out plenty of deeps. The incursion runners have the logi.

If the lowsec "solo" PvPers wanted to come out and show what happens when a fleet of proper combat pilots takes on a fleet of F1 monkeys, they could. They sometimes do. They just usually don't. If enough of them get together and say "Lets's bash that blob", guess what's going to happen?

That is why the Goons were able to fend off the disorganized rabble that came to kick them out of their space too, right?

I know the big movers weren't technically low-sec residents or "solo" - but they weren't the "big" blobbing groups either - just small, semi-individualistic pests.

I know some things about it.

The goons totally won right - because that was *your* point - the big 0.0 blobs always win. No coalition of non-0.0 blobs could defeat them, regardless of what brings them together. It just isn't possible, because they aren't used to working together. Right?

Feel free to take your own advice any time you like.

#1 - "The Rest of Null Sec" isn't "a" blob that is used to fighting together - it is a lot of blobs that are used to killing each other

#2 - Whether you subscribe to the I Want Isk story or the Gevlon Goblin story of how it happened - everyone seems to agree that the people who killed the most goons were *not* in the big coalitions at all. They were small time miner/missioner harassment groups who didn't do 1000 v 1000 fights because they couldn't field more than 100 people or so max. They weren't the *big* blobs at all.

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Oh and #3 - Most of null-sec ignored the war. Modern capital mechanics make relocation a pain in the *** - so while they may hafe sent *some* pilots up to fight, *most* of their membership stayed home ratting. (as usual)

I admit I post much as I fly - meaning sometimes I'm a bit hasty/reckless going in and I rely on my reflexes (physical and/or mental) to pull me out of whatever mess I get myself into. It works out pretty well most of the time - but I'm willing to admit I'm wrong sometimes.

I also obviously can't be everywhere and I do end up posting about things I don't know first-hand - in which case I'm limited to hearsay from those who were involved or written accounts by those who track such things.

I do realize that such accounts are limited and often inaccurate - which is why I attempt to find multiple sources where possible for things like this. I would also point out that I've *been* in sov warfare, even if not this war, and I know from firsthand experience that those *in* the battles such as yourself don't always get let in on what is really happening in the greater war. So "being part of" the battle doesn't necessarily make you specially qualified to speak about the entire process - just the battles you specifically witnessed.


As for this particular case - I was led to believe from all accounts that groups like Psychotic Tendencies (200 members total, includings alts/inactives) took a leading role in the war early on - and had success even before they were reinforced by everyone willing to go fight for isk.

Is this not the case? Is TISHU part of a large coalition and I wasn't aware of it? Has TEST been practicing flying in fleets with them for years, just in case something like this came up?

The point raised here was merely that a smaller group flying *better* can defeat a larger group that is flying poorly because the members don't think for themselves - and I believe the early phases of the Goon war illustrate this fairly well.