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Nalia White
Tencus
#41 - 2016-09-06 16:09:01 UTC
I have almost 20k kills and only 270 losses with an ISK efficiency of 99.3%. I am a carebear.

every pilot flying a freighter in highsec is less of a carebear than i am :)

imho carebearing has to do with risk averse play. Everyone from code is a bigger carebear than any of their targets also :)

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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#42 - 2016-09-06 16:56:42 UTC
I don't do PvP combat. I don't like it and I'm useless at it in any case.

I do PvP in other ways.

If I can buy low and sell high, I've scored one over the purchaser of my overpriced goods. Is that not PvP?
If I can work out a way to corner the market in certain goods and make a killing, is that not PvP?
If someone joins a corps, builds up trust and responsibilities and then legs it with all the corps assets, is that not PvP?

Just because you are not in the business of blowing things up you are still playing against other people and in my book that too is PvP.
Lacori
Doomheim
#43 - 2016-09-06 18:09:53 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
I do PvP in other ways...If someone joins a corps, builds up trust and responsibilities and then legs it with all the corps assets, is that not PvP?


Go you. Content creator.
Solecist Project
#44 - 2016-09-06 18:33:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
hm.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Dullahan Solo
Doomheim
#45 - 2016-09-06 19:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dullahan Solo
Personally, I've only considered those players who cannot appreciate one of the most fundamental aspects of Eve, the possibility of actual loss, to be "carebears". They are vitriolic armchair psychologists constantly enshrouded in a thick miasma of entitlement, and it is nearly impossible for them to communicate in any form other than whinging. They are the players that expect to be left alone in a social sandbox and react VERY poorly when that expectation is shattered.

Don't want to PvP? That's okay. Don't wanna leave hisec? That's okay too. It's your time and your money, and you are free to do with it what you choose. Neither of these is indicative of a carebear. To me, a carebear is an entitled whiner that often resorts to disparaging the developers, the game and its playerbase for encroaching upon their nonexistent "bubble".
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2016-09-06 20:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Nalia White wrote:
I have almost 20k kills and only 270 losses with an ISK efficiency of 99.3%. I am a carebear.

every pilot flying a freighter in highsec is less of a carebear than i am :)

imho carebearing has to do with risk averse play. Everyone from code is a bigger carebear than any of their targets also :)

Big smile

I like the way this player thinks.



DMC

EDIT :

I'm proud to say since I'm still in NPC Corp, fly a cloaky T3 Cruiser and don't have Kill Board stats, I'm a Carebear.

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Solecist Project
#47 - 2016-09-06 20:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
I don't do PvP combat. I don't like it and I'm useless at it in any case.

I do PvP in other ways.

If I can buy low and sell high, I've scored one over the purchaser of my overpriced goods. Is that not PvP?
If I can work out a way to corner the market in certain goods and make a killing, is that not PvP?
If someone joins a corps, builds up trust and responsibilities and then legs it with all the corps assets, is that not PvP?

Just because you are not in the business of blowing things up you are still playing against other people and in my book that too is PvP.

Do you make them love you? Make them think you're a female ...
... abusing the very fact that they welcome trans people ...
... so they just play along and properly treat you like a female ...
... even though you are neither?

Including all the benefits?

Serious question!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
The Golden Serpent
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#48 - 2016-09-06 22:50:51 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
By my definition, a carebear is someone who expects 'others' to provide for their safety.

Not all PvEers, miners, haulers or highsec dwellers are carebears.
Not all PvPers are not-carebears.

There are however some stereotypes that hold true: those looking to maximize rewards yet can't be bothered to pay attention or lift a finger in self defense; those who never provide content and expect content to be handed on a silver platter ... browse the forums long enough and you'll find no shortage of people calling X 'unfair' and demand a nerf while counters to X already exist.

Several species are known to man.
- AFKbear. Seeks richess without actually doing anything.
- Nullbear (AFKbear operating in nullsec).
- Concordbear (akin to nullbear, but in highsec). Concord being part of highsec mechanics is one thing, counting on it as your only line of defense is another.
- Hubbears (looking for green killboards on undocks, but never ever take a real fight. Dares not leave the docking ring).
- Cloakbear (is perpetually looking for easy targets to hotdrop, yet again never looking for a fight. Dares not show himself).
- Campbear (sits on a gate 24/7 as part of a fleet but actually contributes nothing and runs at the first sign of trouble).
- Walletbear (never looks at local nor the overview) - most common varieties are the Minebear and the FacWarBear.
- Strategic Bear (only flies T3 cloaky and nullified ships) - standard configurations include ExplorationBear and OffgridLinkBear.
- NPC Bear (sits nice and cozy in NPC corps).
- Cheap-o-bear (contributes at most 8 mil to any fleet). We see for example GankBear, MaulusBear and WhorePainterBear. Even though they fully expect to lose their vessels, the safety measures are actually taken even before undocking, simply by putting nothing of value on the line. They literally can't lose. Their killboards are stuffed to the brim with capital ships for nigh-100% efficiency.

Many more exist, but I think this adequately paints the picture.



Wow that is a very comprehensive list thank you bookmarked

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2016-09-06 23:04:53 UTC
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#50 - 2016-09-06 23:10:55 UTC
Nalia White wrote:
I have almost 20k kills and only 270 losses with an ISK efficiency of 99.3%. I am a carebear.

every pilot flying a freighter in highsec is less of a carebear than i am :)

imho carebearing has to do with risk averse play. Everyone from code is a bigger carebear than any of their targets also :)

Slightly different view below.

Having an ISK efficiency of 99.3% with 75:1 kill-loss ratio says more about how good you are at managing risk, not that you are necessarily averse to it. In that regard, it's quite possible to take on risk without being stupid in doing so; and being good at what you do doesn't alone make you a Carebear.

Each activity in game has its own inherent level of risk and players that take on responsibility for how they manage their risks are not Carebears, no matter what style of play they prefer.

At any point, the ships that you shoot could have a cyno/covert cyno fit, with support ready to jump in. That they don't isn't your fault and despite that possibility you regularly engage anyway.

Being a Carebear is in my view, something different. It's asking others (usually CCP) to take responsibility for the risks, rather than having personal accountability.

Black Pedro expressed a similar view back on page 1:

Black Pedro wrote:
A carebear is someone who rejects the premise that they can be interacted with against their will. They don't accept that it is part of the game for another player to attack them against their will and don't think they should have to adjust their game play to account for this possibility.


So whether as a nullsec system camper, highsec freighter pilot, lowsec mission runner, ganker, wardeccer, miner, explorer or any other style of valid play in the game, Carebear is not about being good at managing risk, it's about whether you are willing to manage it or not in the first place.

People that aren't willing to manage risk and who prefer to just whinge are the Carebears.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#51 - 2016-09-06 23:19:35 UTC
The Golden Serpent wrote:
Wow that is a very comprehensive list thank you bookmarked

Bear Types

You are welcome.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2016-09-06 23:20:07 UTC
Beat you to it, sis ;-)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#53 - 2016-09-06 23:22:43 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Beat you to it, sis ;-)

Indeed you did sir o7

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#54 - 2016-09-06 23:28:38 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:


I personally wonder how people have the audacity to think the devs should change the game to fit their play style rather than change their play style to fit the game they choose to play.



In this regard I dont wonder at all. In short this is what "politics" stands for.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#55 - 2016-09-06 23:32:49 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:


I personally wonder how people have the audacity to think the devs should change the game to fit their play style rather than change their play style to fit the game they choose to play.



In this regard I dont wonder at all. In short this is what "politics" stands for.

What?
Keno Skir
#56 - 2016-09-07 00:45:34 UTC
Arahantius Detache wrote:
I keep seeing the term carebear being used which I find odd as it is being used in a derogatory manner obviously.

I asked on local about the meaning and got 2 answers:
1. A person who stays in Highsec.
2. A person who avoids PVP.

If option 1 applys, why is a person who stays in highsec considered a carebear since its obvious that alone they will be ganked EVERY time they enter low security areas. Is it a hate by social people against those who prefer to work alone?

If option 2 applys, why is a person who avoids PVP considered weak since the game mechanics clearly allow a solo player to be overwhelmed by sheer numbers of gangs. Clearly, every PVP encounter will be a loss no matter how well outfitted a solo player is.

Is this really a way for social players to be prejudiced against people who like to be alone?

I work alone but I'm far from scared of anything. I've fought all my own battles and never needed aid from some group of people.
Hardly a weakness.

BTW this is a psychological phenomena called othering used by primitive humans:
https://therearenoothers.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/othering-101-what-is-othering/

Just for those interested in human behaviour Big smile


To be fair mate you think nobody can even enter lowsec alone and survive, which is pretty damn weak.

Have a tall glass of man-up and go dig your balls out of storage Straight

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#57 - 2016-09-07 01:40:09 UTC
I've been labeled a nullbear, a wormholer, a pvper... (lol)

I'm just a Capsuleer.

@lunettelulu7
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#58 - 2016-09-07 02:45:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
If I could glom onto your post OP... could I ask what is the meaning of "pleb"? I asked once in Local, and the response I got was something like, "It means plebians, like you. LOL LMAO ROFL go back to WOW." That caused me to conclude that the pleb-caller was below a plebian, because he didn't know what the word plebian meant.

Patrician - One of the landowning, slave-owning, snobby but still window screenless mosquito slapping members of the Roman mansion-dwelling class.
Plebian - All of the other urban, but as yet less unsuccessful, hustlers living in ancient Rome.
Outside of the leet urban areas, there were of course the 90% or so of people who grew food and lived in huts and were peasants. But at least the were surrounded by soil and had places to bury their dung. Moreover, their neighbors had far away places to bury their own dung.

So what is the meaning of this pleb term being thrown around in Eve? It seems like it's a cool and trendy variant of the honest and direct noob, but infinitely more unwittingly ignoramus-sounding. "LOL pleb," but the guy saying his granddad was a pleb, and the grandson doesn't even know what it means.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#59 - 2016-09-07 03:09:38 UTC
Sometimes "Carebear" (like "SJW") is used ironically by someone applying the label to themselves.

(Oh, as for telling "carebears" to go back to WOW.... Dalaran Sewers)
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#60 - 2016-09-07 04:36:20 UTC
Pleb is used as the opposite of elite.
All these terms erupt from that I'm-better-than-you phase that some people not only fail to work through, but actually set up camp and spend the rest of their lives in, defending an externally derived sense of self.
Which is fine, if draining to be around.
Whenever you say or do anything designed to impress others, or put them down, think of a grandmother's sincere and unrestrained laughter.


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