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Gas mining gank counter-measures

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#21 - 2016-09-14 14:58:47 UTC
As much as I hate to admit it, I'd have to agree with Jack on this one.

If you're regularly losing ventures you aren't paying attention. Also, if you have an empty pod or plus 2s.... it's like a 10mil loss which you can make up in a 1/2 hour at the most. My point is.. why avoid the gank?
Petranese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-09-14 16:54:56 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
As much as I hate to admit it, I'd have to agree with Jack on this one.

If you're regularly losing ventures you aren't paying attention. Also, if you have an empty pod or plus 2s.... it's like a 10mil loss which you can make up in a 1/2 hour at the most. My point is.. why avoid the gank?


I lost few Ventures due to my lack of experience.
For example https://zkillboard.com/kill/55371980/
I had shitfit (useless tank, large sig). Bomber that ganked me had pre-scanned site and double scram, no way a venture can escape from that. Extra sig made large difference in damage taken per torpedo.

Venture is also 100% dead when you enter a hole camped by dictor or any sort of bubbles really.

Prospect would laugh at both of these and escape easily. Torpedoes hitting 30m sig moving at 2km/s do like 30 damage, and that's only if he manages to actually scram you, which is much harder due to 4 stabs.
With that kind of speed you will outrange him long before he kills you.
Also, bubbles and camps are just silly setbacks instead of 100% death

Add double ore hold and higher difficulty to get scanned down...

Now, from economical standpoint:

2x harvester costs 7m+
prototype cloak costs like 1m
Full ore hold of C50 gas (which is very common) costs 26m


So, fully fit gas Venture costs at least 7-8m while carrying up to 45m isk (C320).
Full fit Prospect costs ~27m, while carrying gas worth up to 90m

Your argument would be good if you applied it to something else, such as Exhumers.
Using 200m ship for mining 10m/h vs using 28m ship for mining 50m/h is huge difference.

And why avoid gank? To maximize profits, to not get frustrated because you died to first person who saw you on dscan.
I fing actively avoiding ganks much more fun than undocking venture after venture just to die
Raker Plaude
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-09-14 22:55:03 UTC
Petranese wrote:
Awesome tips


Thanks for the information, that was some useful tips!

I started a couple of days ago but was unlucky enough to not find any gas sites in the two holes that I had time to duck into and scan out. I found plenty other wormholes, but wasn't too keen on going through chains just yet!

Thanks again :)
Yodik
Dwarfed ORE
#24 - 2016-09-15 03:42:52 UTC
All genius is simple

В любой непонятной ситуации - качай Prospect.

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