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EXEFILE Login To Be Discontinued On September 20th

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Elenahina
Embark
Triumvirate.
#81 - 2016-09-06 10:03:27 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Does the new launcher have a 'shut down after login' option yet?


Actually, I thought it did, but I'm not sure, I just leave mine running after logging in my five accounts.

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#82 - 2016-09-06 10:05:37 UTC
Chribba wrote:
for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used)
Yes, it will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#83 - 2016-09-06 10:48:34 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Chribba wrote:
for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used)
Yes, it will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning.

Will the "handshake" be kept even after the 20th? (Pretty pls keep it!)

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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#84 - 2016-09-06 11:12:23 UTC
Dang, I liked waiting for the countdown-clock till the server was back up.
Ded Akara
Doomheim
#85 - 2016-09-06 11:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ded Akara
WHY oh why! Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.

Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher?
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#86 - 2016-09-06 11:21:55 UTC
Ded Akara wrote:
Another nail in the coffin for EVE. Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Won't be long before I'm one of them. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.

Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher?


Add all your accounts to the launcher and move the slider at the side enabling them to log in together then press play selected
Ded Akara
Doomheim
#87 - 2016-09-06 11:26:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ded Akara
Hulk Miner wrote:
Ded Akara wrote:
Another nail in the coffin for EVE. Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Won't be long before I'm one of them. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.

Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher?


Add all your accounts to the launcher and move the slider at the side enabling them to log in together then press play selected


Thanks I will check it out.

Ok i see the launcher has better features now, hope they work as intended.
Tanalasin Saraki
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2016-09-06 11:46:33 UTC
HonkiPonki wrote:


tldr: new launcher just throws up anormous ammounts of certificate issues and doesnt work,
if exe login wont run, no way to play the game, sad day .) gg ccp


If you launch the launcher, then click on the EVE symbol at the top, go to Settings, you then have an option to ignore certification errors, you can even run clients with DX9 if you so wish.

Don't people actually explore settings nowadays? Or do they just ***** and moan because they can't get it their own way? Even my 3y/o knows that settings are there for a reason, and that's to set the game/launcher up to how you need it to run.

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Mai Hantaka
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2016-09-06 11:50:58 UTC
I have used the exe-file login for a very long time and avoided the launcher as much as possible. But knowing this day would come I checked out the launcher two months ago. And now that CCP seems have either fixed (or suppressed) the endless certificate error warnings I must say that the launcher is sure convenient. Enter password once and be able to log on all accounts and switch easily too.

Definitely not going to bitter-vet about this change.

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#90 - 2016-09-06 11:56:22 UTC
Chribba wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Chribba wrote:
for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used)
Yes, it will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning.
Will the "handshake" be kept even after the 20th? (Pretty pls keep it!)
Yes.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#91 - 2016-09-06 11:58:44 UTC
Ded Akara wrote:
WHY oh why! Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.

Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher?


Click the little triangle by each account.

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#92 - 2016-09-06 11:59:20 UTC
Tenko Sanka wrote:
I use XP and have five accounts all subbed! I still use the old login method via Exe.exe and cannot download or use the new login method. How will I be able to login or do I just give up and not play until I buy a new PC? A bit stupid to have to pay £750 to play a £5 game imho. UghCry
If you are using Windows XP then you are also using the old Launcher to patch, correct? Unfortunately, neither Windows XP nor the old Launcher are supported anymore. The minimum system requirements were updated a while back to Windows 7 and above and the old Launcher has been deprecated.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer

Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
#93 - 2016-09-06 12:01:01 UTC

If CCP can fix launcher issues when 20th of September comes,
then it will be fine to let go of the exefile.
This is a fairly big "if" though...



My disagreements with the Eve launcher (which is the part I will also post in the launcher specific feedback topic, don't worry) and suggestions for improvement are:
  1. Every now and then (yet rarely) forgetting my accounts / checking for character name.
  2. Almost always forgetting every account except the first account whenever I log in to sisi with only one and the same account.
  3. The lack of auto-patching. Why do I even have to close the launcher again to reboot it in order to apply a patch? This is facepalmworthy.
  4. Sometimes after a downtime I have to reboot the launcher even if there was no patch applied, as I'm getting a "unable to establish connection" on the game screen. Intriguing.
  5. The fact it requires CPU resources and memory far beyond what I would think any launcher product of similar size, look and functionality should have. A few examples: Planetside 2 Launcher: takes about a third of memory, and uses so little CPU it doesn't even hiccup into the 01% category after it has been launched. Warframe: uses about half the memory but given the animated nature of it, CPU usage hovers around 01% to 02%. Champions online: Never saw it above 0% CPU when idle, and also takes only a third of the memory footprint. These launchers also never spike when idle (I kept programs running to monitor CPU usage). The highest spike I ever encountered on Eve launcer: Thirteen Percent. I could name you more launchers, but they all fall under the same category. Less CPU usage, less memory usage.
  6. I don't get a notification for a fresh news entry nor anything else. It just sits there and is silent.
  7. It's not the slowest launcher but definitely also not the fastest. Exefile has always been the fastest, no matter which iteration of the launcher we're talking about.
  8. The launcher does not provide any faster way of relogging characters so there is no reason to use it speed-wise over the "log-off" function of the eve client.

Other than that, I had not the misfortune of other pilots like endless patching, reinstalling or launcher crashing.

In regards to earlier posted and unaddressed issues, I'd like to second what Tanalasin Saraki said: Check the "ignore certificate errors" and see if that fixes the problem. I also doubt this is good design in terms of a workaround. Certificates are there for a reason.
Still, I doubt the entire list here will be solved with this simple check:


Koenig Yazria: No it is not functional. It always forgets logins. Half of the time it is not possible to login through the launcher.


Porcelina: The launcher is broken. Why do you think so many people need to use the exefile directly? Seriously... Do you even play your own game? Also, what about all of the legitimate players with multiple accounts? You have the least multbox friendly game in existence. Stop it now. Fix it - don't break it for everyone.


Elizabeth Norn: Will third party launchers such as Rapid Light EVE Launcher continue to work?


Cerian Alderoth: The EVE Online Launcher - Suggestion thread. The fact that the Launcher still won't produce proper error messages, sometimes fails to update or freezes after the update (Twitch incident), uses up to several hundred Megabytes of system memory, and spikes CPU usage every ten seconds to do *nothing* is bad code.


Daneel Trevize: CCP, can we first please get a resolution to the security issues of non-expiring login/refresh tokens?


Miss 'Assassination' Cayman: If the launcher worked reliably I wouldn't care, but it still stops working and I have to use the exefile at least every 10 days or so. If that reliability isn't improved this is going to be a very annoying change.


Torr Victros: To make the Mumble overlay work on Windows 10, it is often necessary to add the exefile.exe's path in the shared cache to Mumble's white list. Without this, the overlay just won't work.
What will the new file and path be? I, and a lot of my corp-mates, will need to know this to adjust our Mumble overlay settings.


Nakaara Adahsa: The launcher sometimes fails to complete login, and restarting it usually does not cure this problem. Direct login via the exefile is the only reliable solution in thes cases.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#94 - 2016-09-06 12:05:45 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Chribba wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Chribba wrote:
for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used)
Yes, it will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning.
Will the "handshake" be kept even after the 20th? (Pretty pls keep it!)
Yes.

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Jynx Archipedigo
Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners
#95 - 2016-09-06 12:06:23 UTC
I had mentioned this thread and the forthcoming change in a channel I frequent in game and a friend offered the idea maybe this was to limit the number of Alpha grade clones a person could play. Which to be honest would make sense, however people can and will work around it, actually probably on an order of magnitude faster than CCP could fix a problem arising from the launcher giving fits. Then there is the question will it eventually be required that the launcher stay open so the instanced client(s) run.

The new launcher hasn't given me many problems actually I will admit it is nice for what it is. But I don't run Win10 or Linux(at least for gaming) But if there is one thing in software that is certain, every modification to code has the potential to break the app and every dependency is a multiplier to that chance. Considering as RAM prices have dropped to a pittance over the years programmers have gotten increasingly sloppy with their code and game developers are the worse.

Even though it won't actually affect me short term, I know that it could in the long term there will be an issue. I also know from past experience CCP doesn't take a hint till things go way south, Last time I said something it was over an expansion and I left till it was reversed around 4 to 6 months later and I know I wasn't the only one. So hey thanks CCP for the warning, I've done my due diligence to speak for those who feel the same but couldn't be bothered to post. Just means no long term plans and have to looking for a white fedora so I can do my best MJ impression and moon walk away taking my $$$ elsewhere permanently, maybe buy a couple nice 3D printers. I hope I get a few months, I do enjoy the game and some of the people.

My 2 isk worth anyway What? Maybe year from now I can pull my Rifter hub out of collectors box and laugh
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
#96 - 2016-09-06 12:08:16 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
CCP has been telling people EXEFILE service was going to be discontinued for years. People have have plenty of time to adapt and far longer than a couple weeks notice.
Only because they still disagree, doesn't mean everyone was oblivious of the change. For some, especially on older machines (thankfully I'm spared of this problem now), what the launcher does and how it behaves is truly an issue, and booting through exefile is the only viable way of getting into the game.
CCP calling for this chance since years and still not being able to get it right doesn't instil the greatest of faith. Especially if the launcher remains wanting after the exefile and old launcher login methods are gone.


Agent Unknown wrote:
Ditto, no issues here either. I also leave the launcher open after using it once (so I get all the patches as they come through)
How did you achieve this marvel? Because mine simply won't patch without a relaunch. Mind you, I don't have the launcher crash on me, and the times it forgets my things are very rare (or very reproducible in the case of sisi). But for all the love given to the New Eden Wormhole, I cannot make it patch on its own without a relaunch. Yes I launch it with admin rights, yes I'm root admin on my computer and so on and so forth.


Jynx Archipedigo wrote:
Just because the Launcher (ie game updater/patcher in other products) is working now does not mean it will continue to do so, and requiring it just adds aggravation.
I would agree if I knew of other launchers having such severe problems as the Eve version. I just don't know any. Which is surprising. I mean I loath the idea of launchers spreading left and right for years now. But for all that's worth, the only issues I ever had with a game launcher was Eve's one. All others kept running for years without a single problem.

Burning Furry
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2016-09-06 12:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Burning Furry
Not very happy with this.

The launcher crashes my PC. It gets to precisely 83% on the patch and then my pc crashes all the way to boot screen.
This was/is my only way to play Eve on the pc i use most often.....
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#98 - 2016-09-06 12:17:17 UTC
Tenko Sanka wrote:
I use XP and have five accounts all subbed! I still use the old login method via Exe.exe and cannot download or use the new login method. How will I be able to login or do I just give up and not play until I buy a new PC? A bit stupid to have to pay £750 to play a £5 game imho. UghCry



XP is no longer a supported OS for Eve.

While it still works, CCP have said that it will change in future. (basically, they no longer test with it. If it stops working, it's not something they're going to do anything about.)

Woo! CSM XI!

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Ded Akara
Doomheim
#99 - 2016-09-06 12:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ded Akara
What does the pin/unpin feature do? And what about that toggle to the left of the account name "Add this account to launch bundle" Can someone explain the difference between these two features?
Burmistrov
No corp 100500
#100 - 2016-09-06 12:23:35 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Tenko Sanka wrote:
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If you are using Windows XP then you are also using the old Launcher to patch, correct? Unfortunately, neither Windows XP nor the old Launcher are supported anymore. The minimum system requirements were updated a while back to Windows 7 and above and the old Launcher has been deprecated.

old launcher dont need for use EVE on winXP. New too useless.
Copy-paste metod tq/ folder from win8.1 for update work fine :)