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[GalFed] Villore Assembly resolution on the crowning of Empress Catiz

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William Danneskjold
#141 - 2016-09-07 11:08:52 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
William Danneskjold wrote:
The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir.


We just happen to have guns. Very big guns.


Most unfortunate for the betterment of mankind.


I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them. It is absolutely pathetic that so many on the Amarr side are attempting to burn this bridge because of what is ultimately a meaningless gesture to the Empire, as only a handful here have even been formally recognized by that entity in the first place, yet purport to represent its interests.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Sammie MacWinters
Gradient
Electus Matari
#142 - 2016-09-07 11:10:30 UTC
William Danneskjold wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
William Danneskjold wrote:
The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir.


We just happen to have guns. Very big guns.


Most unfortunate for the betterment of mankind.


I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them. It is absolutely pathetic that so many on the Amarr side are attempting to burn this bridge because of what is ultimately a meaningless gesture to the Empire, as only a handful here have even been formally recognized by that entity in the first place, yet purport to represent its interests.

I just want to talk about the dress code for the mixer. Is that so bad?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2016-09-07 11:54:56 UTC
Sammie MacWinters wrote:
William Danneskjold wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
William Danneskjold wrote:
The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir.


We just happen to have guns. Very big guns.


Most unfortunate for the betterment of mankind.


I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them. It is absolutely pathetic that so many on the Amarr side are attempting to burn this bridge because of what is ultimately a meaningless gesture to the Empire, as only a handful here have even been formally recognized by that entity in the first place, yet purport to represent its interests.

I just want to talk about the dress code for the mixer. Is that so bad?


It's very bad. Talks of fashion has triggered riots before.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#144 - 2016-09-07 12:03:21 UTC
William Danneskjold wrote:

I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them.



Talking about giving undue importance to little things, whoa there bud.
William Danneskjold
#145 - 2016-09-07 12:07:54 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
William Danneskjold wrote:

I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them.



Talking about giving undue importance to little things, whoa there bud.


Depends on how you define 'little' and to whom. To the Empires, they don't give two ***** about what we do, so what's it really matter?

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#146 - 2016-09-07 12:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
William Danneskjold wrote:
Teinyhr wrote:
William Danneskjold wrote:

I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them.



Talking about giving undue importance to little things, whoa there bud.


Depends on how you define 'little' and to whom. To the Empires, they don't give two ***** about what we do, so what's it really matter?


Well for one thing I considered this whole thing a very very minor event in galactic politics until, as you put it, a bunch of people started bleating about how terrible everyone is for pointing out obvious flaws in it and not agreeing with members of the Assembly 100%. Really. This whole announcement, in the end, served absolutely no purpose whatsoever, other than to a few people to toot their own horn. And when they got called out for it, a ruckus erupted.

Because, as stated, this is resolution, if we're still talking about that and not cocktail parties, had nothing to do with building bridges, at least not from both sides, it was decidedly single sided. Read the resolution again and tell me how you came to the conclusion it is helping to build Amarr-Gallente relations in any way?
William Danneskjold
#147 - 2016-09-07 12:51:26 UTC  |  Edited by: William Danneskjold
Easily. Individuals on the Amarr side willing to look past the one-sided request of the Federation boys and girls to their own government, and extend a hand, despite the Accord's attempt at unilaterally inviting themselves.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#148 - 2016-09-07 13:48:03 UTC
William Danneskjold wrote:
Easily. Individuals on the Amarr side willing to look past the one-sided request of the Federation boys and girls to their own government, and extend a hand, despite the Accord's attempt at unilaterally inviting themselves.

Now tell me why I wouldn't want to put a fork in that?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#149 - 2016-09-07 15:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Teinyhr wrote:
Read the resolution again and tell me how you came to the conclusion it is helping to build Amarr-Gallente relations in any way?


William Danneskjold wrote:
Easily. Individuals on the Amarr side willing to look past the one-sided request of the Federation boys and girls to their own government, and extend a hand, despite the Accord's attempt at unilaterally inviting themselves.


But those individuals on the Amarr side aren't in the resolution she asked you about. They're in the reaction to the resolution that you're excoriating. How can an entity like the Federation, or any of its representatives, or anyone hoping to be its representatives, espouse a position of 'shut up and let only one group answer'? Wouldn't the very principles of the Federation demand that the negative responses be heard as well? That all of those among the Amarr who choose to stand up and be counted on this issue be respected for that, and praised for it, even if others disagree with the things they say?

So, to put the question to you again: How did you come to the conclusion that the resolution, not the responses to it, are helping to build Amarr-Gallente relations?

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Now tell me why I wouldn't want to put a fork in that?


Because you should always use a spoon. It's dull. It hurts more.
William Danneskjold
#150 - 2016-09-07 16:24:57 UTC
My conclusion is that the bridge building comes from people willing to discuss, on both sides, and meet in the middle. I'm not talking about the people who have rational opposition as being petty and burning bridges. I'm talking strictly about people who came in, mouths frothing and firing off split-second responses.

And as I already said earlier, the whole thing is silly anyway, because its unlikely anyone will give a rat's ass what we say or do up here in space and on the Summit.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#151 - 2016-09-07 16:37:42 UTC
William Danneskjold wrote:
My conclusion is that the bridge building comes from people willing to discuss, on both sides, and meet in the middle. I'm not talking about the people who have rational opposition as being petty and burning bridges. I'm talking strictly about people who came in, mouths frothing and firing off split-second responses.

And as I already said earlier, the whole thing is silly anyway, because its unlikely anyone will give a rat's ass what we say or do up here in space and on the Summit.


Capsuleers tend to be people of record. Often, despite our best efforts, we become celebrities of a sort. Our opinions help shape public opinion among the baseliners. Especially in a place like the Federation, that can have significant impact, indeed.

Those 'frothing' and 'split-second' responses you denigrate have one very powerful virtue in their favor: honesty. They are sincere responses. They are honest, guileless, unfiltered snapshots of reaction - and that reaction will have its mirror among the non-capsuleer populace, as well, including the bureaucrats, politicians, and high-ranking diplomatic and administrative functionaries of the Amarr Empire.

People who take their time to respond will be more measured, more polite, more politic in their replies... but those who do not will always be more honest. If they say it, others are thinking it. It's better to have it said, in the open, where people can understand the concerns and take steps to address them, than it is to leave those things unsaid, and leave yourself open to walking into a room of smiling enemies, each with a hidden grievance... and a hidden knife.
Silen Serine
#152 - 2016-09-07 16:55:37 UTC
Xun Yu wrote:
(...)

the Federal-Imperial Relations Committee (FED-IMP)

(...)

Out of curiosity, does this body intend to publish any documentation subsequent to the coronation dialogues, supplementary to the Assembly's full report to the Senate?
Tressith Sefira
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#153 - 2016-09-07 17:13:49 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ah-- Triss? Joking aside, I'm pretty sure this is a straight-up "no." Lipstick's not a problem either. Caldari sensibilities might consider it decadent in places, but Amarr tend to see aesthetics as functional and practical. Why would God's kingdom in this world insist on looking utilitarian? Even an Amarrian battleship serves a religious function, after all.

My use of cosmetics is pretty sparing by Amarrian standards, but I do use a little. It's never gotten me in any trouble at all.


Ok, that makes wayyy more sense than the alternative. I had misgivings.

So I should definitely aim for a more minimalist style?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#154 - 2016-09-07 17:53:57 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
I do not know about you, Ms. Mithra, but I phrase my requests to visit much more politely. Rather than announcing that they were forming a delegation and then in the same breath state they expected that delegation to be treated as foreign diplomats and dignitaries, they should have requested an invitation to come. That would have been correct and proper.

"We're coming. Better treat us right. We're very important in the Federation." That is how they came across. And the Amarr rightly pointed out that was the incorrect way to do things. The Villore Accords are the ones that made this issue public with their post. Then they doubled down on their arrogance that they had debated the language and they found it proper.

If someone that you didn't know came to your home and demanded to be let in and that you cook them a proper dinner, I suspect you would take offense to that. I would too. My door will open to any that request invitation, but will not crack to a demand.

Gallente are well known for disrespectful behavior like that to other cultures.

Well, I can't tell our Imperial allies what to do, but I can tell what happened to us. Twice gallente offered us their hand with 'diplomatic' approach, and twice they backstabbed us with their other hand.

How do you think, how many Noirs they still have? How many of them would call an Imperial citizen evil just for having slaves?...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

William Danneskjold
#155 - 2016-09-07 18:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: William Danneskjold
The solution has become clear to me. We need to construct a second assembly. The Villore Assembly General Investigation for Notoriety Assembly for analyzing their things. That way we can make sure they are within certain guidelines to keep the cluster happy.

I volunteer to do all the administrative overhead.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Xadiran
Moira.
#156 - 2016-09-07 19:06:40 UTC
William Danneskjold wrote:
The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir.


Thank you

Consider yourself my favorite person on the IGS.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#157 - 2016-09-07 19:38:29 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
William Danneskjold wrote:
Easily. Individuals on the Amarr side willing to look past the one-sided request of the Federation boys and girls to their own government, and extend a hand, despite the Accord's attempt at unilaterally inviting themselves.

Now tell me why I wouldn't want to put a fork in that?


Well, the Federation and Empire aren't exactly natural allies, despite certain similarities, Pieter. The Empire's not going to take the Federation's side against the State. They're both fundamentally imperialist powers. That makes them natural enemies-- rivals at the very least. The Empire siding with the Federation is even less likely than the State joining forces with the Minmatar Republic.

That's not what's at stake.

What if we could go back to the way things were, before Caldari Prime, before the Elder Fleet? The "Pendulum War" serves as a pressure valve, but, do you really want to stop us getting the pressure back down? Do you want this war to go on forever? Is the only acceptable ending, to you, total victory?

It's never going to happen. And if the Empires did enter a state of total war, there's no guarantee the Caldari would even survive.

Capsuleers being diplomatic, reaching across national lines ... we're not real diplomats. But so what?

I know how important the State is to you, but, I don't have a country anymore, Pieter. I know so much about Achura, but, I can't even remember what it looks like.

And with the Drifters, here, now--

I'd rather this whole war ended.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#158 - 2016-09-07 20:14:43 UTC
Elmund Egivand is Gallente. (I think. I know ethnically he's Sebiestor, but he's in the FDU and seems to be a Federal citizen in the same way that I am Amarr.) He's also a stand up guy, a good pilot, and fights Drifters with us. I would suggest that the Gallente that actually want better ties with the Empire grab a ship, get in fleet, and show it.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

William Danneskjold
#159 - 2016-09-07 22:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: William Danneskjold
Nevermind!

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#160 - 2016-09-08 00:08:36 UTC
Silen Serine wrote:
Xun Yu wrote:
(...)

the Federal-Imperial Relations Committee (FED-IMP)

(...)

Out of curiosity, does this body intend to publish any documentation subsequent to the coronation dialogues, supplementary to the Assembly's full report to the Senate?


Yes, we will be providing a full report of our attendance and various happenings of note. Thank you for your interest.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/