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Serene Obsolete
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2011-12-23 10:25:48 UTC
Atuk Belinen wrote:
in your case the easiest way out is to trade in space. doing it in station wont work. neither will contracts or market. so mine ore, and trade it to a alt or join a corp and trade in space FTW you have you money back in no time. but consider that youll be paying back what you lost then have to make profit... thats a long and very discouraging road. so just convo me ill hold you hulk. bio your char make a new one and ill contract your ship to him.. then ur new guy has 200m in assets=WIN



Biomassing my char is not my ideal choice. WIth 5 months of skills already trained, I would easily be able to grind my loss back before a new character would be on par with this one.
Philip the Second
Doomheim
#82 - 2011-12-23 12:24:07 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Ryan wrote:


GTC & Plex is about the same as whatever the OP did. They're just mad cause he bought his ISK from someone else. I log right into my account management page to do my RMTing.


+1

Shh though ! don't wanna mess with the I.I.M (Icelandic Isk Mafia) Lol



You two appear to be blatantly ignorant of the fact that there is a "bit" of a difference between buying PLEX from CCP and buying isk from the "gold" farming sites.
Where exactly do you think the isk from the gold sites comes from?

As you obviously don't know, let me enlighten you.
It comes from the accounts of other players! RMT or hacked.

A corp mate had his account hacked a while back and all his ships and assets were sold and according to the GM, the resulting isk was sent to other players... namely, players like the OP who thought that buying isk from a gold farming site was ok.

So yeah. Isk from some poor sods ruined account = $ for a hacker or some RMT scum. Or isk from CCP = $ for further EVE development... damn, this is a tough one.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2011-12-23 12:48:53 UTC
Serene Obsolete wrote:
I just think PLEX from the EVE store are over priced. EVE in itself is an expensive game compared to other MMO's.

If you look at the maths I can see why they price it the way they have. With 15 major content expansions (obviously if they were to be sold as an expansion like other MMO's they would be far less often perhaps with more content.) The extra £5 you pay per month is a good offset for this.

Still, £18 for a single plex is a high price to pay!

Don't get me wrong, I know what I did was wrong and I won't be doing it again, but surely you can see the allure of something that is LESS than half price for the same item just from a different source?

don't use this stuff when you buy "Bentley 90% cheaper just from different source" Cool

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David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2011-12-23 13:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Serene Obsolete wrote:
Ok So I've done something pretty stupid and now I am in minus isk.

I realise what I did is against the rules and will not be doing that again. I am glad I have not been banned, don't get me wrong but I am pretty much unable to play the game now?

I have 0 combat skills and 0 combat ships, I can mine but I can't sell anything on the market to get back into positive equity in my wallet. I can not even trade with a player to sell items that way.

In this situation, what is a player supposed to do?



run combat missions or rat in the belts...this will refill your wallet without the need to have isk for taxes also your noobship should be good enough for l1's

OR you could create a new toon on the same account (you got 3 slots) and use that to make enough isk to buy a combat ship (destroyer) and fittings then contract it to your main toon

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#85 - 2011-12-23 16:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
Philip the Second wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Ryan wrote:


GTC & Plex is about the same as whatever the OP did. They're just mad cause he bought his ISK from someone else. I log right into my account management page to do my RMTing.


+1

Shh though ! don't wanna mess with the I.I.M (Icelandic Isk Mafia) Lol


....buying isk from the "gold" farming sites.
Where exactly do you think the isk from the gold sites comes from?



You kind of answer your own question I feel. Where does isk for 'gold farming' sights come from , well 'gold farming', with bots. CCP 'turning a blind eye' the whole time.

Is this 'right', well no but as long as CCP want to monopolise the market and artificailly inflate the price of there commodity while refusing to make a seious effort to rid the game of 'bot abuse' . Then there's nothing I can do about it.

Isk for cash should be a free market economy like everything else as far as I'm concerned.

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#86 - 2011-12-23 17:17:07 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
I understand your arguement Ai but I believe it is oversight on CCP's part. It ISNT a valid game mechanic that is now causing the problem, to be in negative isk shouldn't prevent you from selling things. It was never programmed that way with the intent of further punishing a transgresor.


yes it was. that is why the ISK fine for RMT is double the amount of isk acquired from RMT


OP was an idiot, but i appaul them for fessing up to it and sticking it out. OP should follow the suggestion of making an alt, using the alt the make a corp, and using the corp wallet to do transactions to earn their way out of the hole.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#87 - 2011-12-23 17:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Marduk Nibiru
Philip the Second wrote:
Or isk from CCP = $ for further EVE development... damn, this is a tough one.


Frankly, until it's me that gets hacked or whatever, this is the only thing I care about. Iceland's economy was one of the first to fall in this recent debacle. If I want EvE to continue existing, and I do now (2 months ago I didn't really care anymore), then I need to pay for it. Some BS game like WoW or whatever that has a billion people playing it...ok, who cares...but EvE probably actually needs the $$ to continue.

Besides, why buy from RMT when you can sell bookmarks as plexes in Jita and CCP doesn't care? There have to be a billion ways to make illegitimate ISK in this game that's considered "as intended". You shouldn't need to buy farmed ISK.