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Ai Shun
#21 - 2011-12-22 01:09:40 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
I don't blame CCP because why would anyone expect you to have negative isk, so the routines where never built to handle the situation.


It is intentional and has been since 2007. CCP Guard wrote this blog on the topic of RMT / ISK buying. Note the last section that says:

CCP Guard wrote:
I would like to add that the penalty for buying ISK is (at the minimum) the removal of all ISK bought, no matter if it is still in the wallet or not. Players that buy ISK and spend it on cool stuff will end up with a negative wallet balance and in some cases cannot get out of debt. This is a sad state of affairs but in such cases we cannot provide any additional services to help players get their wallets back into a positive status. They either make it out of debt themselves or they don’t. Our main concern and focus is protecting the part of our playerbase that follow the rules and do not buy ISK.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#22 - 2011-12-22 01:12:21 UTC
I read that as 'we are pissed off and can't be assed', not good PR IMO but pretty much what you'd expect from CCP.

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Ai Shun
#23 - 2011-12-22 01:15:01 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
I read that as 'we are pissed off and can't be assed', not good PR IMO but pretty much what you'd expect from CCP.


If somebody wants to "buy" ISK all they need to do is pick up a PLEX and sell it in-game. There is no need to support the RMT industry. So yeah, bad PR?

No, a just punishment for those that break the rules when they have a viable alternative.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-12-22 01:20:25 UTC
do level 1 courier mission in your starter frigate, and use that time to think about what you've done P

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#25 - 2011-12-22 02:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Professor Alphane wrote:
Petition it. will the GM acted in all good faith having a negative balance seriously affects the continued viability of your account.

Admit your mistake, accept your punishment but object to the fact your account has been left 'unusable' because of an oversight in CCP's punitive actions.

All the best hope you can sort it out.

And out of interest how 'negative' are you? a quick 'loan' from a friend might sort it out.


Edit: Inappropriate part removed, CCP Phantom

only reason OP didn't get banned for RMT was because the GM felt like being nice. It's explicitly stated in the EULA that illegally RMT'ed ISK will be removed from the player's wallet, and/or they will be permabanned.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#26 - 2011-12-22 02:40:33 UTC
Negative ISK affecting trade and contracts is in fact deliberate.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#27 - 2011-12-22 03:00:28 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I actually think that not being able to sell stuff when you have a negative wallet balance is a bug and should be bug reported.


Not last time it happened to me. I had an alt go negative once because I got popped flying contraband and the fine was far greater than what I had in my wallet. I was also webbed to zero and scrammed by the customs agent and 'stuck' until a GM released me because I couldn't pay the fine. I was told 'good luck, kill rats to get out of the hole'. Not being able to sell due to a negative balance is apparently part of the design.

Maybe things are different now...

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Serene Obsolete
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-12-22 09:54:01 UTC
Hmmm it would seem being -2bil in debt is going to be nearly impossible to get out of...

The only bonus is my account is active for the next 4 months...

I am glad I never got banned but I mean this is pretty much exactly the same.

I wonder if I could still play, train skills, join a corp to get ships and ammo through the hangar and just never bother to get back into positive isk.
Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#29 - 2011-12-22 10:00:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Winters Chill
Cut your losses and make a new character.

Amass the nessicery money then bail character one out with character two, however by that time you won;t care about character one.

Basically just start again. Chalk off you stupidity as a learning lesson.

The admins know everything.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2011-12-22 10:05:52 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
I read that as 'we are pissed off and can't be assed', not good PR IMO but pretty much what you'd expect from CCP.

No, it reads “If you cheat, we **** you over”… that's the best PR a game can ever get. Twisted
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#31 - 2011-12-22 10:07:35 UTC
Serene Obsolete wrote:
Hmmm it would seem being -2bil in debt is going to be nearly impossible to get out of...

The only bonus is my account is active for the next 4 months...

I am glad I never got banned but I mean this is pretty much exactly the same.

I wonder if I could still play, train skills, join a corp to get ships and ammo through the hangar and just never bother to get back into positive isk.



Haven't you any assests to show for this 2 billion?

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-12-22 10:10:36 UTC
I have a hulk (barely 200mil) and my account is now active (however useless) for the next 5 months.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-12-22 10:17:59 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
I don't blame CCP because why would anyone expect you to have negative isk, so the routines where never built to handle the situation.


It is intentional and has been since 2007. CCP Guard wrote this blog on the topic of RMT / ISK buying. Note the last section that says:

CCP Guard wrote:
I would like to add that the penalty for buying ISK is (at the minimum) the removal of all ISK bought, no matter if it is still in the wallet or not. Players that buy ISK and spend it on cool stuff will end up with a negative wallet balance and in some cases cannot get out of debt. This is a sad state of affairs but in such cases we cannot provide any additional services to help players get their wallets back into a positive status. They either make it out of debt themselves or they don’t. Our main concern and focus is protecting the part of our playerbase that follow the rules and do not buy ISK.




They should just outright ban the account instead of a stupid constructive ban, it would sit well with the general community as well as getting rid of the ISK buyers.
Anshio Tamark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-12-22 10:26:14 UTC
Borrow a bit of ISK from a friend? Of course, most people won't loan out their ISK, so this might not be very likely to work for you...
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-12-22 10:41:36 UTC
You can't sell stuff to get positive again ?
Is the market blocked for you ? O_o
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2011-12-22 10:42:40 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
You can't sell stuff to get positive again ?
Is the market blocked for you ? O_o

Selling requires you to pay taxes and brokerage fees — something you can't do if you have no money (or, negative money).
Demolishar
United Aggression
#37 - 2011-12-22 10:48:53 UTC
I like ISK buyers, they are effectively an isk sink. All that isk disappearing ftw.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-12-22 11:00:12 UTC
1.) Buy a GTC or PLEX with RL money (eighter use CCP, Eve-codes[dot]com or Shatteredcrystal[dot]com)
2.) Sell the PLEX (or 2 PLEX if you used GTC) on the Timecode Bazaar.
3.) Repeat if you are still in debt.

On the neg. wallet:

Good job CCP. I'm totally against petitioning and then get that deuce his wallet back to 0 for 1 reason only.
The OP should have used the proper way to make ISK if he wanted more (buying GTC / PLEX from official websites).

By using RMT he knew he was violating the EULA and he took the risk and lost.
So no need to help him out, it was all his own choice and he should live with the consequences.

Helping him out would be like giving a bank robber the money he stole back after he served his jail time. Punishments are there for a reason, to let people know they did the wrong thing and to make sure they will NEVER do that again.

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#39 - 2011-12-22 11:08:59 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
1.) Buy a GTC or PLEX with RL money (eighter use CCP, Eve-codes[dot]com or Shatteredcrystal[dot]com)
2.) Sell the PLEX (or 2 PLEX if you used GTC) on the Timecode Bazaar.
3.) Repeat if you are still in debt.

On the neg. wallet:

Good job CCP. I'm totally against petitioning and then get that deuce his wallet back to 0 for 1 reason only.
The OP should have used the proper way to make ISK if he wanted more (buying GTC / PLEX from official websites).

By using RMT he knew he was violating the EULA and he took the risk and lost.
So no need to help him out, it was all his own choice and he should live with the consequences.

Helping him out would be like giving a bank robber the money he stole back after he served his jail time. Punishments are there for a reason, to let people know they did the wrong thing and to make sure they will NEVER do that again.



I fail to understand this post

Part 1 - Buy some isk it'll sort your problem out

Part 2 - You bought isk ! your scum of the earth and deserve everything you get.

What?

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Tubrug1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-12-22 11:09:25 UTC
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