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Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
#21 - 2016-09-04 15:35:54 UTC
@ Serene Repose

I am not sure you understand what I mean.

Tell me, which investment you prefer:


Investment 1:

You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 5 years. (good conditions for worker and consumer)

Investment 2:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 70Mio back in 2 years. (company total burned out)

Investment 3:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 10 years. (awesome conditions for worker and consumer)
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#22 - 2016-09-04 16:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Soel Reit wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
What was your point? Contradicting that you have to get system that people like?


i won't keep aswering you.
just wait and see, time will tell.
and you are part of the mass.

don't need to waste my time with you.

Hey, I didnt finished.
I understand what you said.
I dont agree that it is the right way.
I dont think that what this industry is about is right.
I dont agree on many things with many people.
And you are not special.

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2016-09-04 16:33:10 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:

people are stupid and will keep using the system, even if they don't like it....


Any time i hear the phrase "People are stupid..." followed by anything at all, it's usually someone in marketing, a scammer or someone who generally has a predatory contempt for their fellow humans.
It doesn't make you sound tough, or wise, or anything really except predatory and contemptuous.
Any point made on the basis of the observation that people are stupid can be dismissed. The capacity for stupidity is a sign of potential for unprogrammed behaviour and therefore a hallmark of intelligence. Knowing better but still acting in spite of that knowledge can save lives and yield solutions that a less stupid critter wouldn't try.
TLDR if people are stupid and you're not, why aren't you living in a solid gold palace yet?



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-09-04 16:46:41 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
People are not so stupid as you might think. And that does not only appy to MMOs. That is the reason why a lot of those games fail to deliver. Build around in such a way that when lured to, are complete fail.
Seen a recent thing with No Man Sky? Refunds for everyone my dear.


At the risk of dating myself, Batlecruiser 3000

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-09-04 16:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Chopper Rollins wrote:


Any time i hear the phrase "People are stupid..." followed by anything at all, it's usually someone in marketing, a scammer or someone who generally has a predatory contempt for their fellow humans.
It doesn't make you sound tough, or wise, or anything really except predatory and contemptuous.
Any point made on the basis of the observation that people are stupid can be dismissed. The capacity for stupidity is a sign of potential for unprogrammed behaviour and therefore a hallmark of intelligence. Knowing better but still acting in spite of that knowledge can save lives and yield solutions that a less stupid critter wouldn't try.
TLDR if people are stupid and you're not, why aren't you living in a solid gold palace yet?



People are stupid. An individual can be intelligent, but it's been shown that the average intelligence of a group tends to be inversely proportional to the size of the group itself. It's called group think - people are afraid to be ostracized from the group, so they tend to follow the herd, even when the herd is wrong, and the larger the herd, the stronger that tendency becomes.

Agent K wrote:

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-09-04 17:03:05 UTC
@Chopper Rollins
i don't need to add anything to what Elenahina aswered you with.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#27 - 2016-09-04 17:38:44 UTC
One thing is the mass of people in the open space reacting to danger, other thing is people with access to information around the world, you can try to fool them, but you will not fool them for long. Dont be fooled.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-09-04 17:56:19 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
One thing is the mass of people in the open space reacting to danger, other thing is people with access to information around the world, you can try to fool them, but you will not fool them for long. Dont be fooled.


it's all the same.
people reacting to a danger,
people reacting to the news,
people reacting to a fashion,
people reacting to a game release.

doesn't matter the contest. the mass will always behave in a certain way, most of the time in the stupid way.
for everything.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-09-04 17:59:59 UTC
Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:
You have also the feeling that it is only a next condition for CCP, that player still play EVE? The main condition is to make profit for investors. It will take more money, which no longer ends up in the gamedevelopment. Aurum, plex, ship skins, skill trading and now "free to play" by backdoor.

You tell me how F2P will make more money? Plex and skill trading don't cut it, cause alphas can't. No extracting = no aurum for extractors. If they Plex they are no longer alpha.
To make money you have to make it enjoyable for the players. if you need to buy a skin: do it. The ship might look better but gets blown out of space in the same time as a ship without it. CCP is selling, IMHO, crap for real money. If you need a Boss shirt for 10 times the price of a normal one it is not the fault of Boss if you buy it. Eve is still kicking while games like Star Wars with a huge fandom had failed.
IMHO CCP is doing a great job. Not in every aspect but overall they are good.
CCP has to make money to keep going so where is your problem? I don't see anything they sell outside of PLEX/subscription that you really need. All I've done to get CCP money outside of my subscription was 1! extractor to get rid of my mining skills and injected the SP myself afterwards. And 2 Plex savely tucked away for bad times. And I don't regret any of them.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2016-09-04 18:05:38 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:
You have also the feeling that it is only a next condition for CCP, that player still play EVE? The main condition is to make profit for investors. It will take more money, which no longer ends up in the gamedevelopment. Aurum, plex, ship skins, skill trading and now "free to play" by backdoor.


Man, it's pretty tough being a teenager and getting all your illusions shattered huh?


What, you mean CCP isn't a charity?

WTF I want my money back!!!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2016-09-04 18:18:46 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:
You have also the feeling that it is only a next condition for CCP, that player still play EVE? The main condition is to make profit for investors. It will take more money, which no longer ends up in the gamedevelopment. Aurum, plex, ship skins, skill trading and now "free to play" by backdoor.


Man, it's pretty tough being a teenager and getting all your illusions shattered huh?


What, you mean CCP isn't a charity?

WTF I want my money back!!!!


Ohhhh, more bad news I am afraid :(

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Serene Repose
#32 - 2016-09-04 18:32:25 UTC
Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:
@ Serene Repose
I am not sure you understand what I mean.
Tell me, which investment you prefer:
Investment 1:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 5 years. (good conditions for worker and consumer)
Investment 2:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 70Mio back in 2 years. (company total burned out)
Investment 3:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 10 years. (awesome conditions for worker and consumer)
What I like is when a person proposes to discuss the economics of a situation, he/she isn't juvenile about it (like trying to set up an either/or situation that in all likelihood never existed and never will) expecting me to choose between dreamed-up extremes to prove a point that has more to do with ego than economics.....if you really want to know.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
#33 - 2016-09-04 18:56:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Amy Farrah FowIer
My first statement was, "I have the feeling that is is like....". I cant imagine, that CCP want to make this changes. For me it fells like - they are forced by investors.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#34 - 2016-09-04 20:06:21 UTC
Riot? Are we talking about CCP? I'm confused.

I thought CCP made EvE as a hobby....you mean to tell me it's an actual business where people want pay for what they do so they can live their real lives? Whoa.



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Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#35 - 2016-09-04 20:49:51 UTC
Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:
You have also the feeling that it is only a next condition for CCP, that player still play EVE? The main condition is to make profit for investors. It will take more money, which no longer ends up in the gamedevelopment. Aurum, plex, ship skins, skill trading and now "free to play" by backdoor.



I would like to say that I find the original posters arrogance offensive. CCP does a lot of things for the players like fanfest and alliance tournament. Also many of the devs and/or employees seem to take great interest and passion in their work.

If you want to see a company that sees their customers as cattle try working for Comcast like I used too. Or go to a fast food restaurant, it's pretty obvious upper management wants you to be hooked with no regard to your long term health.

I never saw a Warcraft dev dress up like CCP Rise or show up at an event on the other side of the world, I might not be paying attention. But considering the small player base and the complexity of this game I feel like CCP and it's managers have done an excellent job preserving the New Eden universe for us.

You sound like some San Francisco spoiled brat.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-09-04 20:55:45 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
One thing is the mass of people in the open space reacting to danger, other thing is people with access to information around the world, you can try to fool them, but you will not fool them for long. Dont be fooled.


The flat earth society and the young earth creationists would like to point out how people with access to information can still be fooled. All of the time.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2016-09-04 20:59:15 UTC
Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:
@ Serene Repose

I am not sure you understand what I mean.

Tell me, which investment you prefer:


Investment 1:

You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 5 years. (good conditions for worker and consumer)

Investment 2:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 70Mio back in 2 years. (company total burned out)

Investment 3:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 10 years. (awesome conditions for worker and consumer)



Investment 2. As long as I'm getting paid the company can rot for all I care. There is 0 incentive for me to keep the workers or consumers happy as an investor.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
#38 - 2016-09-04 21:02:07 UTC
@ Dark Lord Trump

THX...thats what I want to tell...
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#39 - 2016-09-04 21:20:49 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:


don't need to waste my time with you.


lol any chance of the lotto numbers while you're in such fine form ?? Roll
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#40 - 2016-09-04 21:22:20 UTC
Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:
My first statement was, "I have the feeling that is is like....". I cant imagine, that CCP want to make this changes. For me it fells like - they are forced by investors.



which investors are you speaking of?