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So go make POS fuels with your 20 separate industrial networks only.

Nobody is going to stop you or change the way you do it, make it more difficult or more time consuming. Unless some bigger alliance doesn't care for you doing this in their backyard out in 0.0.

Enjoy clearing them one at a time for the rest of days as well.

I'd rather do them all et mass by combining everything into 1 - 6 cities. But that's just lazy old me.

CCP have already allowed a "one way or the other thing" by allowing players a choice between:

NPC corps & Player corps
Player corps and alliances
Alliances and napfest coalitions
sub-caps, capitals and supers
player owned towers and outposts
NPC tax and player tax
NPCCOs and POCOs
manufacturing on outposts and towers
researching on outposts and towers
ratting in belts, ratting on gates, ratting in anoms, ratting in signature sites, ratting in missions and ratting in incursions
mining ore and buying ore

or none of the above if you just can't be asked to invest the time or isk for any of it.

So yes, CCP will have many 1 way or the other approaches and I don't see the problem with that at all.

If you think the current tax system sucks, setup a POCO or two and charge nothing. Problem solved.

I would like my PI to mean something more in the bigger picture than just resetting and spamming POS fuels, even if you don't want that.

I'm prepared to spend billions to upgrade it into something better, when your not.

I'd love to spend more time building PI into a viable economic target that would make the news if it were ever lost like the titans of old, where as you wouldn't.

I know allot of guys who think nursing 1 planet is too much effort. I currently nurse allot more across a crapton of accounts. So your arguments of time investment and isk and mouse clicks are not really holding allot of water here. More so in light of the fact that you've been asking me questions about side effects which were discussed in pain staking length in the pdf document.

+1

I've heard that so many times, and while I agree that ultimately game design should be entirely left up to CCP, I don't think it would hurt the game at all if some of CCP's game designers put their ego's down for a minute and took into consideration some of the kickass game design ideas that some players spend lots of time and energy devising. Seriously, what would it hurt? Eve's player base is full of smart people and if I were CCP I would make it mandatory for game designers to at least rummage through these ideas and see what good stuff can come from them.

Edit: I recall this original idea from another thread and I supported it then, so I can't imagine why I wouldn't now. Thanks for putting it all together into a PDF, I'll digest it over the next few days if I can. I'll give a pre-emptive +1 based on what I recall from the original thread. Great work!

Maximun idea. Amazing, refreshing, multiplying the in-game things to do and awesome.
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This looks amazing!! +1000

Devs we know you are out there and some feedback or thoughts on this would be great. or at least an acknowledgement that you have seen and read this.

not to mention it would keep people from creating alts, moving the isk elsewhere (say, to another alt or their main), then biomassing their alt.

Well, new players... who are legitimately new players, and not purpose-created alts... can gain access to funding soon enough, once they subscribe. That said, there should be absolutely no magic isk faucets in the proposal; the system should be a game-mechanically formalized means of transferring isk between players, not a way to abuse the system to game isk from nothing (say, by taking out 'loans' with unusued alts, giving the isk back to their mains, then having the loan expire, putting them into negative balance, then forgetting about the alt forever, or even biomassing them). I think it'd be fine if unpaid loans could show up on your profile, in the same way as failed contracts would. If some alliance is free enough with their cash that players can use the loan system to make off with money they can't, or don't intend to, pay back, that's the fault of the alliance in question, and not something CCP should be reimbursing (as per the negative isk thing).

+1 I would like to see more done with PI

PI was an amazing idea making it so newer players can get into a industry nich not taken up by 0.0 alliances that control every single moon.

I would like to see some big additions added on to PI to make it do more then just make some parts and this sounds like a good idea.
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Absolutely fantastic proposal.

Friendly bump.

To the pessimistic CSM Member: If CCP wanted to leave their game development to their game devs, you wouldn't be CSM because there would be no CSM, there would be no Features & Ideas discussion, it would look like all the other MMORPG's out there that are dying. have a little faith in the powers that are.

And concerning the comment about how EVE's game devs are better thinktanks than the general public may be true in the wider spectrum, but as an artist, and as any great artist will tell you, the best ideas and inspiration come from not within, but from without.

Surely, I think, if CCP does take on this proposal, it will have to be run through their game developers to fit in with a criteria that we are all clueless about, which may burn the concept down to some core elements, but hell, if only 20% of this proposal gets accepted I will be a happy camper.


+1 to EVE's evolution.