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After the big announcement of Clone States, we have a quick follow-up for you.

But before you read the blog, we would like to thank you for the overwhelmingly constructive feedback we have received. Seeing you discussing the consequences, pointing to potential issues, already making plans ... that is wonderful and proves again that the EVE community is the best!

Please check out the dev blog Clone States – Post Announcement Follow-up!

You cannot control it.
Not even with the player`s IP adress...
Not even with the MAC adress of your network card...

I'm glad to hear that the simultaneous alpha clone login problem is being considered. I suspected that it was actually a technical issue, given that the issue wasn't immediately stricken down in the initial blog. Here's to hoping you can clear that hurdle before release; it's very, very important to restrict. Otherwise, I don't see any significant issues with the proposal currently. Thanks for the followup!

One concern I have about that write-up on Alpha clones and suicide ganking is that it only goes over freighter ganking, and does so in a very limited aspect.

For one, if Alpha clones can use Meta mods, that's going to up their damage by a fair amount. Based on the comment regarding their use of the Gnosis (which seems to imply that they can use something if the skills allow it), there's no reason to assume that Alpha gankers won't be using meta-fit ships instead of purely T1 / Meta-0 mods.

Secondly, it only addresses freighter ganking. There are many, many more ships in EVE than just freighters. It may take 50+ low-skill ships to gank a freighter, but it would only take 3-5 to gank something much smaller. These may not be the best gankers around, but they'll still be good gankers, especially as there would no longer be the 1+ billion ISK cost to keeping a dedicated account active.

Even CODE talk about how a modern-day ganking char, after the most recent starter skills update, takes only 15 minutes to train (Gallente Destroyer I), and the Alpha chars will be significantly better than than that. No, they won't be as good as a dedicated Omega ganker, but when the price of admission is free, you end up with many more people joining the party.

While I'm not going to advocate either way towards Alpha clones being able or unable to gank, I do caution that the Reddit post on freighter ganking is only telling a single story from the larger narrative.

I don't follow this logic. As a current player, if I want to suicide gank I am going to maximise the effect by using an omega character. I think the real danger here is current players multiboxing alphas to great effect.

Good to see the answers keep coming, or at least acknowledgement of concerns.

My question is can we also use this release to dispose of the neural remap "feature" / "gameplay":

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/50mipa/ccplz_kill_off_attribute_remaps_with_the_new/

Why wouldn't these veteran players just use their Omega clones to gank new players? Or a trial account? Or an second Omega account paid for by skill extraction?

Unlimited ganking accounts (and PI, mining, industry and other activities that don't require ongoing training) have been effectively free since skill extraction was introduced earlier this year (actually with the current market you get paid to run those ganking alts). Trial accounts have been able to fly a Catalyst in 8 minutes ever since the starting SP was buffed last year yet there is no evidence that the ganking of new or veteran players has increased at all because of these changes even if you thought that was a bad thing. I don't see why you think a significant number of veterans are going to start gimped Alpha accounts to play the game as highsec criminals when they can already do that now.

Getting more players to engage in the intended criminal gameplay that CCP coded into the game on purpose can only be considered a good thing, especially if they are true new/returning players who are grouping up to make their mark on the universe and form the social bonds that CCP says keep people playing the game. I do agree though that veteran players multiboxing dozens of alt accounts is potentially problematic, not only for highsec ganking, but for many aspects of the game including other forms of PvP (pocket logis, Griffins), PI/manufacturing, information gathering and especially mining. CCP will have to tread carefully to not let multiboxing alpha accounts be worth the trouble to existing veteran players.

But as to highsec ganking, let new players experience all the game has to offer, including playing as a highsec criminal. If ganking really does take off for some reason and highsec denizens can't be safe, CCP can always nerf ganking yet again, or better yet, spend some development time on completely revamping how the highsec crime, war and contraband systems work.

First page again \o/

Oh, and great stuff. I do hope this will help to rejuvenate the playerbase.
Wish it had happend sooner, but i still love this idea.

My corp mates and I quit eve some years ago. This was due to low sp Suicide Alts making life more difficult and the big changes to industry which was the real killer.

However the proposed free accounts have given us some ideas. We probably have several trillion ISK stashed away on our mothballed accounts which can be harvested, invested etc,

We also have some ideas for almost free ***** and giggles fun at the expense of established players / alliances that made life difficult in the past, indeed that would be most of the alliances, Whilst we are few in number we can not take down a freighter we can sure take down the smaller stuff.

With our ISK and the free accounts I suspect we wont be only people to return. T1 Frigs / Cruisers can have a lot of fun in a target rich environment such as empire. We can have as many Alpha accounts as we want, we can train them for next to nothing and our mains can scoop the loot. Recycle them whilst kill rights expire as needed.

Freighters will be safe from us, too much like hard work and we are few in number but if your in empire and your in an alliance we dont like, and that would be most of them, then you best not be on Auto Pilot,

Oh and you bumpers on the gates in NPC Corps, your first, we really dont like you

So, will they be able to post outside of NCQA or not?