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distance and chance to hit for guns
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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#21 - 2016-09-02 23:10:58 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
We really really need to get to the bottom of this. Knowing how wrecking shots work outside of 2X falloff is a key decision point for several of the doctrines I'm working on. This is a key issue as far as I'm concerned.


Agreed.

I was under the impression that at 2x falloff your damage approaches 0 dps and wrecking shots would only occur within falloff until someone said, you get wrecking even in optimal range.

How exactly that works remains a mystery but in 5 years of flying turret boats, I have an idea how to fly them to hurt someones feelings while not hurting too much doing that.

But even so often (usually very rarely) I hit something outside of falloff range but I just switch to longer range ammo by then anyways.

Overpowered:

Beam lasers aren't low rof guns but high alpha guns like artilleries but with a little better tracking and a little lower damage than artilleries.

That's the gist of long range vs short range guns in EVE.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#22 - 2016-09-03 06:53:08 UTC
Yup, I'll confirm: chance to hit still plays into whether you get wrecking hits. The chance isn't fixed at 1%.

Methodology: take this Rifter on Sisi:

[Rifter, test bed]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Projectile Ambit Extension II
Small Projectile Ambit Extension II
Small Projectile Ambit Extension I

My skills give optimal of 600 and falloff of 12329 (near enough). Quick calculations give:

0.009938824072 CTH at 32400m
0.004979262023 CTH at 34700m

So, start off approaching a customs office using keep at range set to 32400. Fire two clips (200 shots times 3 guns times 2 clips = 1200 total shots fired). 13 hits, all wrecking (as predicted) for 0.01083333333 CTH. Near enough the predicted value.

Next, set keep at range to 34700, rip off another two clips. 6 total hits, CTH .005 -- also near enough predicted.

So there you have it. There is no fixed 1% chance to get wrecking shots. CTH still factors in, so outside of about optimal + 2.75x falloff you're down to 0.53% CTH and by optimal + 3x falloff you're down to 0.2% CTH.

And now we know.
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