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Dev blog: Command Bursts and the New World of Fleet Boosting

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Donmadefy
Fuxi Legion
Fraternity.
#1221 - 2016-09-13 20:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Donmadefy
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Donmadefy wrote:
How will these nerfs help solo or small gangs?

You say this is being implemented to help them compete. But I find it directly effecting single players with boosting alt. Why do you keep making the solo players obsolete. I do not wish to conform with your blob warfare crud.

If your nerf one of the only advantages a single player has to compete with the blob. Then whats the point of that.


because now not everyone will have a boosting alt hiding in system so it is no longer something everyone needs. it harder now for an alt to fill the role so you need to give it to a pilot that may be better used in dps/tackle/logi/e-war


not only that but you can now split fleets away from their booster


also if you have a boosting alt you're not solo




So before you spam post stuff. Do you read or just spam repetitive things contrary to those ideas to which you are quoting.

I'v enjoyed every aspect of eve over the last 11 years. I have seen and adapted to CCP attempts to nerf the little guy in hopes of boosting their subscriber count. The nerf bat has come to many things mostly supported by clueless carbears and major holding alliances. Everything in this game that single players combat pvp enjoy have been heavily diminished by the goals of making eve online a group event.

Why must you make me play with other player? I do not wish to login and wait. I want to login and compete vs other large groups SOLO.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1222 - 2016-09-13 20:18:17 UTC
Laurens Punani wrote:
Mining without boosts is no viable alternative since your income drops by 50% --> If you want to plex your accounts you need boosts --> ccp forces us to use boosts because otherwise we cannot play the game without RL money. simple as that
You have a strange definition of viable.

Laurens Punani wrote:
Fielding billions of isks is not really the point, the point is, that mining boosts are the only boosts that directly influence your productivity in PVE.
I take it you aren't familiar with incursions?

Laurens Punani wrote:
some figures: numer of hours needed to pay for a plex while doing a PVE activity without boosts while others recieve boosts:

Ratting: about 20h
Incursions : about 10h
Exploration : about 15h
...
Mining : about 80h

tell me again how mining boosts are optional!
Seems the answer is clear, do something other than mine for PLEX. PLEXing an account isn't an entitlement and not an argument for a reason that the activity requiring the lowest level of interaction of those on your list should require more time to obtain it. So yes, it's still optional, because PLEXing is optional.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1223 - 2016-09-13 20:20:30 UTC
Donmadefy wrote:
Why must you make me play with other player? I do not wish to login and wait. I want to login and compete vs other large groups SOLO.
No one's making you do anything. If you want to be solo then be solo. It's just going to mean actually solo rather than "solo" now when you're the only one on grid.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#1224 - 2016-09-13 20:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Donmadefy wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Donmadefy wrote:
How will these nerfs help solo or small gangs?

You say this is being implemented to help them compete. But I find it directly effecting single players with boosting alt. Why do you keep making the solo players obsolete. I do not wish to conform with your blob warfare crud.

If your nerf one of the only advantages a single player has to compete with the blob. Then whats the point of that.


because now not everyone will have a boosting alt hiding in system so it is no longer something everyone needs. it harder now for an alt to fill the role so you need to give it to a pilot that may be better used in dps/tackle/logi/e-war


not only that but you can now split fleets away from their booster


also if you have a boosting alt you're not solo




So before you spam post stuff. Do you read or just spam repetitive things contrary to those ideas to which you are quoting.

I'v enjoyed every aspect of eve over the last 11 years. I have seen and adapted to CCP attempts to nerf the little guy in hopes of boosting their subscriber count. The nerf bat has come to many things mostly supported by clueless carbears and major holding alliances. Everything in this game that single players combat pvp enjoy have been heavily diminished by the goals of making eve online a group event.

Why must you make me play with other player? I do not wish to login and wait. I want to login and compete vs other large groups SOLO.



its almost like its an MMO... an MMO built around rewarding cooperation

you can still be solo but a friend will always be advantages. now you do need to be solo though not you + booster

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Donmadefy
Fuxi Legion
Fraternity.
#1225 - 2016-09-13 20:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Donmadefy
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Donmadefy wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Donmadefy wrote:
How will these nerfs help solo or small gangs?

You say this is being implemented to help them compete. But I find it directly effecting single players with boosting alt. Why do you keep making the solo players obsolete. I do not wish to conform with your blob warfare crud.

If your nerf one of the only advantages a single player has to compete with the blob. Then whats the point of that.


because now not everyone will have a boosting alt hiding in system so it is no longer something everyone needs. it harder now for an alt to fill the role so you need to give it to a pilot that may be better used in dps/tackle/logi/e-war


not only that but you can now split fleets away from their booster


also if you have a boosting alt you're not solo




So before you spam post stuff. Do you read or just spam repetitive things contrary to those ideas to which you are quoting.

I'v enjoyed every aspect of eve over the last 11 years. I have seen and adapted to CCP attempts to nerf the little guy in hopes of boosting their subscriber count. The nerf bat has come to many things mostly supported by clueless carbears and major holding alliances. Everything in this game that single players combat pvp enjoy have been heavily diminished by the goals of making eve online a group event.

Why must you make me play with other player? I do not wish to login and wait. I want to login and compete vs other large groups SOLO.



its almost like its an MMO... an MMO built around rewarding cooperation


I'm a kid playing in this large SANDBOX. Why must I go over to your castle and ask for help to play in it.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#1226 - 2016-09-13 20:47:01 UTC
Donmadefy wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Donmadefy wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Donmadefy wrote:
How will these nerfs help solo or small gangs?

You say this is being implemented to help them compete. But I find it directly effecting single players with boosting alt. Why do you keep making the solo players obsolete. I do not wish to conform with your blob warfare crud.

If your nerf one of the only advantages a single player has to compete with the blob. Then whats the point of that.


because now not everyone will have a boosting alt hiding in system so it is no longer something everyone needs. it harder now for an alt to fill the role so you need to give it to a pilot that may be better used in dps/tackle/logi/e-war


not only that but you can now split fleets away from their booster


also if you have a boosting alt you're not solo




So before you spam post stuff. Do you read or just spam repetitive things contrary to those ideas to which you are quoting.

I'v enjoyed every aspect of eve over the last 11 years. I have seen and adapted to CCP attempts to nerf the little guy in hopes of boosting their subscriber count. The nerf bat has come to many things mostly supported by clueless carbears and major holding alliances. Everything in this game that single players combat pvp enjoy have been heavily diminished by the goals of making eve online a group event.

Why must you make me play with other player? I do not wish to login and wait. I want to login and compete vs other large groups SOLO.



its almost like its an MMO... an MMO built around rewarding cooperation


I'm a kid playing in this large SANDBOX. Why must I go over to your castle and ask for help to play in it.


you don't have to we can just build faster together

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Soleil Fournier
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#1227 - 2016-09-13 23:12:16 UTC
Fozzy, supers should get a higher command bonus than carriers, but they don't currently....
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#1228 - 2016-09-13 23:51:24 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Laurens Punani wrote:
Mining without boosts is no viable alternative since your income drops by 50% --> If you want to plex your accounts you need boosts --> ccp forces us to use boosts because otherwise we cannot play the game without RL money. simple as that
You have a strange definition of viable.

Laurens Punani wrote:
Fielding billions of isks is not really the point, the point is, that mining boosts are the only boosts that directly influence your productivity in PVE.
I take it you aren't familiar with incursions?

Laurens Punani wrote:
some figures: numer of hours needed to pay for a plex while doing a PVE activity without boosts while others recieve boosts:

Ratting: about 20h
Incursions : about 10h
Exploration : about 15h
...
Mining : about 80h

tell me again how mining boosts are optional!
Seems the answer is clear, do something other than mine for PLEX. PLEXing an account isn't an entitlement and not an argument for a reason that the activity requiring the lowest level of interaction of those on your list should require more time to obtain it. So yes, it's still optional, because PLEXing is optional.


No one plexing, no plex sales, no money for CCP. Seems reasonable to ignore those that plex Roll
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#1229 - 2016-09-14 00:24:51 UTC
Ginger Naari wrote:

A solo player could have 10 accounts, he's still a solo player.


No, its one player taking the role of 10 people. True solo, 1 account and only 1 account running, would not have the abilities it has with the added support.

PVE: lets dual box a logi alt on the pve runner. My case a basilisk shooting large reps and large cap transfer (1 each) can have my rattler cap stable running large/xl SB and other active mods fulltime cap stable with no cap mods/rigs. NO CCC...rigs can be shooty rigs. Don't have that logi backup, that rattler needs some cap love, CCC, pdu, etc. Fit changes based on if 2nd account there or not.

PVP: lets be a **** and triple box, booster, combat and everyones fave...falcon alt. This is not "solo" pvp. That ship true solo would have issues not faced with the falcon jamming and the boosts.

+1 account is +1 account, doesn't matter if 1 player controlled or run by other people. That ship true solo would be different.

this change not even taking this away. Its just making it harder. have to time the bursts. Worst case...its the booster right click orbit the pvp/pve ship. Or work out a way to refresh the boosts some other way. Its making it less afk is all.

Not liking this change for other reasons. Hate the passive being removed. And for siege (soon to be shield) that shield HP boost will be a mod/charge. I liked getting this passively. it also replaced the shield boost I did like....hp boost knocked cap use reducing boost for shield boosters out of the box. this combo I will miss, oh well.

Lugh Crow-Slave
#1230 - 2016-09-14 00:26:58 UTC
aldhura wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Laurens Punani wrote:
Mining without boosts is no viable alternative since your income drops by 50% --> If you want to plex your accounts you need boosts --> ccp forces us to use boosts because otherwise we cannot play the game without RL money. simple as that
You have a strange definition of viable.

Laurens Punani wrote:
Fielding billions of isks is not really the point, the point is, that mining boosts are the only boosts that directly influence your productivity in PVE.
I take it you aren't familiar with incursions?

Laurens Punani wrote:
some figures: numer of hours needed to pay for a plex while doing a PVE activity without boosts while others recieve boosts:

Ratting: about 20h
Incursions : about 10h
Exploration : about 15h
...
Mining : about 80h

tell me again how mining boosts are optional!
Seems the answer is clear, do something other than mine for PLEX. PLEXing an account isn't an entitlement and not an argument for a reason that the activity requiring the lowest level of interaction of those on your list should require more time to obtain it. So yes, it's still optional, because PLEXing is optional.


No one plexing, no plex sales, no money for CCP. Seems reasonable to ignore those that plex Roll



but if this change does make it so few ppl use the boosts the price of ore will just go up to compensate meaning there will be no issue and if about the same number of ppl keep using them then there is also no issue

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1231 - 2016-09-14 00:59:41 UTC
aldhura wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Laurens Punani wrote:
Mining without boosts is no viable alternative since your income drops by 50% --> If you want to plex your accounts you need boosts --> ccp forces us to use boosts because otherwise we cannot play the game without RL money. simple as that
You have a strange definition of viable.

Laurens Punani wrote:
Fielding billions of isks is not really the point, the point is, that mining boosts are the only boosts that directly influence your productivity in PVE.
I take it you aren't familiar with incursions?

Laurens Punani wrote:
some figures: numer of hours needed to pay for a plex while doing a PVE activity without boosts while others recieve boosts:

Ratting: about 20h
Incursions : about 10h
Exploration : about 15h
...
Mining : about 80h

tell me again how mining boosts are optional!
Seems the answer is clear, do something other than mine for PLEX. PLEXing an account isn't an entitlement and not an argument for a reason that the activity requiring the lowest level of interaction of those on your list should require more time to obtain it. So yes, it's still optional, because PLEXing is optional.


No one plexing, no plex sales, no money for CCP. Seems reasonable to ignore those that plex Roll
Who said no one plexing? Maybe you should stop projecting people's inability to figure out how to make it work. There WILL be miners who still PLEX. It just won't be the ones who complain about fielding assets instead of fielding asset or investing more time.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#1232 - 2016-09-14 01:39:14 UTC
Soleil Fournier wrote:
Fozzy, supers should get a higher command bonus than carriers, but they don't currently....




yeah it seems odd that they are getting nerffed is that intended?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Donmadefy
Fuxi Legion
Fraternity.
#1233 - 2016-09-14 02:36:11 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Ginger Naari wrote:

A solo player could have 10 accounts, he's still a solo player.



PVP: lets be a **** and triple box,



Be a what?
Zenta Carson
Nugget Inc.
#1234 - 2016-09-14 02:50:00 UTC
About the Rorqual, will it and the barges be able to warp out while in Nexus Mode?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#1235 - 2016-09-14 02:53:06 UTC
Zenta Carson wrote:
About the Rorqual, will it and the barges be able to warp out while in Nexus Mode?



lol no... you can't even move

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#1236 - 2016-09-14 03:34:17 UTC
Donmadefy wrote:
Zan Shiro wrote:
Ginger Naari wrote:

A solo player could have 10 accounts, he's still a solo player.



PVP: lets be a **** and triple box,



Be a what?



Nickname for Richard, male sex organ.....always liked the filter on this forum for that word. As well....if I were to have a political discussion it filter out part of **** cheney's name. Or the old phrase every tom, **** and harry
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#1237 - 2016-09-14 03:56:03 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:

but if this change does make it so few ppl use the boosts the price of ore will just go up to compensate meaning there will be no issue and if about the same number of ppl keep using them then there is also no issue



Basically. Adjust price to the work that be more involved now.

then you you enter market pvp realms. Old boy or girl undercuts you, take it up with your fellow miners on that one. Welcome to market pvp. I just place the (lowball) buy orders for my stuff. If a miner doesn't like my price, they can move on and that is cool...sell for your price and be firm, . Now if I get miners who will sell for lower to avoid isk warring in the markets for hours to days after order dropped....they made the call to fill my low ball order lol.


Laurens Punani
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1238 - 2016-09-14 05:49:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Laurens Punani
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Donmadefy wrote:
How will these nerfs help solo or small gangs?

You say this is being implemented to help them compete. But I find it directly effecting single players with boosting alt. Why do you keep making the solo players obsolete. I do not wish to conform with your blob warfare crud.

If your nerf one of the only advantages a single player has to compete with the blob. Then whats the point of that.


because now not everyone will have a boosting alt hiding in system so it is no longer something everyone needs. it harder now for an alt to fill the role so you need to give it to a pilot that may be better used in dps/tackle/logi/e-war


not only that but you can now split fleets away from their booster


also if you have a boosting alt you're not solo



ARE YOU GUYS ******* SERIOUS? EVE IS NOT FAIR; TOUGH ****; JUST DIE OR GET A BOOsTING ALT NOOB!!!!

just kidding, thought i'd post this since you guys gave me a bit of a shitstorm yesterday :D

If mining is no special snowflake, pvp isn't either. MAKE PVP MORE IMBALANCED SINCE WE ALSO WANT IMBALANCED PVE!!!!

IF SOLO PVP DOES NOT WORK; GET INTO A GANG!




SO: Noone is entiteled to FAIR pvp... if other people kill you because they've got an ogb right now... whats the point in changing that? if kyou dont trust yourself to kill him without boosts, get boosts. if you still dont trust yourself to kill him, go play project discovery and shut the **** up
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1239 - 2016-09-14 05:52:54 UTC
If serious, yes that's how eve is played

But in all liklihood, judging by your previous posts, you don't believe in any of that and you're one of those people who want instanced pvp arenas like AT

Art of Explosions
Laurens Punani
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1240 - 2016-09-14 06:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Laurens Punani
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If serious, yes that's how eve is played

But in all liklihood, judging by your previous posts, you don't believe in any of that and you're one of those people who want instanced pvp arenas like AT



I'd love to have more balanced PVP for alliance turnaments,with free ships for every participant.. just so its more comparable and skill dependant. but actually, i do like the idea of forced PVP and dont think this change is good for any small gangs or solo pvpers.

I posted that because that guy posting about "fairness" in PVP posts that "Fairness" for miners is nothing we should hope for because miners are no special snowflakes :D

All we want is some balanced gameplay... a gameplay in which you can decide what you want to do freely....

You want to gank Jumpfreighters? - Good luck, i love those killmails :D
You want to roam around in a small gang? - Take this small booster and have fun!
You like Huge Fleets? - A new boosting system so its more fun for everyone!

You want to do solo PVP - We are running into a little bit of a problem here..
You want to solo mine? - Good joke :D Mining is only for those with more than 1 account. You can do it solo, but its not really worth your time. Go shoot some rats