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Cool, thanks for the clarification. I didn't count on ship bonuses for my calculation. :)

About small gangs, I think that even now it's not unusual to encounter small gangs with 1-2 CDs. I think with two boosting ships, plus the timer on the boost, you could cover your entire gang for the duration of most engagements. Anyway it's just speculation. I can't wait to see it implemented and play with the system

well considering most smart people got around this risk just by using an alt i'm not sure it is all that great an example. besides why should just anyone be able to give buffs like that?? why shouldn't you need a ship for the role?

No refunds for nerfed leadership skills, jokingly small area of effect for industrial use, putting rorqs or orcas in the belt for p*ss poor returns and extreme risk?

Yep good job CCP, now if all us industrialist would be compliant and just bunch up in our expensive ships so your beloved whiny favored play style players don't even have to work to explode our ships! Yes the bomber fleets are going to love this new regime, everyone in nice tightly grouped target balls. Yes it is not all about high sec. Bombing runs do happen people.

Ammo for running boosts instead of scripts? Oh I see this is how we will pay for those "FREE" Alpha accounts, everything that use to be a one time purchase will now become a consumable!

Amazing you boys at CCP you just never stop developing new ways to squeeze your paying subscribers do you? Great job by the way.

Guess I'll just chalk the leadership training to boost up to lessons learned, lust like POS defender skills, paid for with isk and my precious time, then scheduled for erasure by whim without any decent defined compensation.

Unless of course you mean after I invest more time and isk into training for Citadel skills that won't let me directly target attacking ships you might one day allow me to use those skills for that. That way I might be able to salvage something out of the skills I've already paid for with isk and my time, maybe.

So after you make my Orca and Rorqual skills worthless I'll have to train for new industrial ships, buy the new ships, and take them on grid to get exploded. Thank you CCP, but to be brutally honest anytime I want to go boom I just challenge a bigger ship to a duel, so you really did not have to go to such lengths.

At some point you will reach the tipping point, where it is not worth the constant screwing you hand out to enjoy what is left of a formerly truly enjoyable game, I am sure you will develop ways to accelerate that process, because your developers seem to be really skilled in that area.

CCP refund us for the skills trained for Rorqual, Orca, and POS with non-allocated skill training points, buy back the ships you have neutered, and be responsive to your subscribers just once at a cost to you.

I don't think so lol my boosters are all changing games and pulling out of jita are not watching whats going on lol.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say you are obviously not a Rorqual pilot. "Why does the rorq need a way to repel attackers?" Asking the question proves your lack of awareness, nonetheless, postulate for a moment how well the drones of a "rorq" would fair against just five destroyers? Bet you 2 billion isk who wins every time, not most times, but every time.

Please don't troll CCP wants legit feedback, before they implement what they want, guess they like forum tears also, lol.

Was assuming it went without saying the DPS will be supplied by other ships ... was once again proven wrong.
Against 5 dessies, your Skiffs can easily blow them up. 2-3000+ DPS from miners alone -which applies very well I might add- is usually enough one would think.

I just pointed out that it is a player interaction issue and not one of who is smart or if a specialized ship should be used. The proposed change will result in LESS positive player interaction. Seven years of play on just one account, either another player or my corp provided boosts, I did not wish to spend the real world money for a 2nd account OR to play to grind isk to buy plex. I do whatever I feel like doing at any given day, always am active and at the keyboard.

Harold player interaction is just a buzzword they hide behind. Fleet bonus sharing for industrialists is how we spread our influence and make friends in EVE, so naturally the wannabe pew pew crowd is against it. They don't want another ship to hot drop them from another belt to help save your Orca or Rorqual that is why they are excited about the laughable 15k range. It is okay for boosting during an attack but sucks for defense, that is what CCP calls balance. Sixty seconds of boost won't get you from one belt to another, so this effectively disrupts positive interaction between industrialists. Recruiting new industrialists with boosts is a thing of the past unless you all want to bunch up and try to operate in a nice little ball of killmails.

CCP could care less, if they had anyone on staff who gave two sh*ts about industrialists they would have known how toxic this idea would be, clearly they don't mind because to them industrialists don't matter, except as targets. Sad thing is now they want us to continue to pay to be targets while they bring in a new crop of shooters in free accounts!

Wonder if anyone on the CSM will stand up?

This will continue until industrialists stand up and stand together, time for another riot, and more effective activism that makes CCP listen, in my humble opinion.

CCP i get what you are going for with the "Command Boost Concept" but putting industrial commands in the same category of combat commands is just plain wrong.

Unless you are going to make major changes like fitting combat modules on industrial ships. It always seemed foolish that a freighter has no room for weapons or a cloak but a frigate does, just saying. Pirates can build and modify war ships up to Titans but no one in all of New Eden could modify a freighter to even have a rocket launcher welded to the hull.

CCP it seems you just want defenseless targets so pew pew types have to face no risk of losing the fight as long as they are willing to lose their ship to Concord as a so called "punishment" after the fact.

CCP buff the Orca like you plan to buff the Rorqual including the super defense weapon, make sure the industrial boosts are system wide but don't operate within a certain distance of stations or POS and you've reached a good middle ground where fielding an Orca will not feel like pressing self destruct.

Gosh I've never lost a freighter in high sec, low sec, or null sec even during wars on any of my accounts. Glad we could clear up who the actual better pilot is.

Been both smart and lucky because I never even had a cyno killed and goodness knows your butt is hanging out in the breeze when you are part of a cyno chain for carriers and freighters.

So because someone does not share your opinion does not mean they have no experience, or as the facts prove in this case they may well just be a better pilot, well versed in team play fulfilling roles you, by self admission, at times failed at.