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In other words, the Rorqual is getting a 1% higher boost strength for mining over the Orca when not using its Core.[/quote]


no disrespect to you at all winter so please do not take it that way

but a 1% difference between a capital ship and a sub capital ship.. is just total bullchit and someone who came up with those figures didn't even bother to look at the price difference between the two ships. "oh hey spend 2.2bn+ for an extra measly 1% difference"..that guy must wear plaid panties.

what i dont understand is how they seemingly want the rorqual to be held back from having a lot of power in its own industry? its a capital industrial ship.. why not give it full meaning of why its capital indy ship and not just some transformer that blows fire out of its head?

Didn't think of this, but this is most certainly an issue.

It's not a question of being able to fly the ships but even if it were just because you had leadership V that doesn't mean you can fly a command ship. But more importantly someone who trained a skill that required no specific ship or module shouldn't be forced to fly a specific ship/module to get use out of a skill they trained without those restrictions. A person doesn't just train basic leadership skills so they can be a link pilot flying a t3 cruiser they train them so they can command small gangs and fleets and get bonuses no matter what ship they are flying. This change says "well, if you want to get anything out of the skills that you've already devoted time training then you will be a boost ship" or "you can pay us to extract your skills and you can put the sp towards something that you'll actually use."

If you can't figure out the analogy that's your intellectual deficiency and not my fault but I'll break it down for you anyway.
Player plays monthly fee which allows them to train a skill.
(Consumer buys a guy that drives just fine and runs on gas like any other)

After making your purchase CCP says sorry but that skill doesn't do that any more.
(Consumer is told they can't buy gas anymore)

CCP says BUT if you fly fleet boost focused ships and used fleet boost modules you'll still get use of your skills
(Car dealer says, you can drive your care on these special roads and it'll work just fine)

CCP says you can always buy extractors from us and redistribute your sp (Car dealer say, you can by this special upgrade and drive wherever you want)

Understand now? They sell you a product, then decide after the fact that the product you paid for is no longer going to perform the task that you intended it for when you paid for it. They then try to upsell you more products just so you can get the same benefit from your purchase that you already paid for. More commonly referred to as a scam.

Honestly it really doesn't effect me that much. I started training my link alt to be ongrid combat links back when the command dessi's were released because their creation was an obvious move in the direction of on grid links. It wasn't a matter of if boosts were going on grid it was just when. I extracted my leadership skills from my main and injected the sp into my combat links alt. So again, I planned ahead and don't really have anything to lose w these changes. That still doesn't make their approach to the skills and potential profit from extractors less shady.

So the Rorqual will now be OFFICIALLY KILLED BY CCP, figures!!!

RORQUAL on GRID will always = a DEAD RORQUAL!


Will extract ALL Fleet bonus SP for industrial BOOSTS and re-purpose my Rorqual as POS MAINT JF until death by reprocessing

By that line of reasoning, should we expect command ships to receive a lockdown module as well?

The rorqual has always been the odd exception for boosts bonuses in regards to tying it to the Indy core. And countless threads have been almost always been about trying to make the module worthwhile, rather than trying to justify its existence from the beginning.

As much as I prefer to keep things in rather than removing them entirely, the Indy core has been a noose hanging around the rorquals neck for its entire existence.

More money for my ores, tyvm.

Looks like ill finish my boosting skills just in time for this

Why does the mining burst trigger a weapons timer? It isn't pvp related in the slightest.

Will the orca be receiving some sort of agility boost, or will a fleet require multiple orcas to boost more than one mining squad? Mining fleets don't operate in one location like pvp fleets do. Any more than ten miners per belt results in horribly inefficient cycles from all the double lasering.

Why ammo for the boost modules instead of just scripts? They function as scripted modules, so they should actually be scripted modules instead of some weird ammo script hybrid. It makes no sense to have these modules only boost so many times before a reload when the script type isn't changing.

As someone who doesn't use or care about this feature, HA!

At the least I'd like to see the Leadership range bonuses flipped (4%/5%/6% rather than 6%/5%/4%). Wing Command and Fleet Command cost additional time to train and should carry more significant payoffs as a result. This carries well with the logical fact that a fleet or wing will generally spread out more than a squad and thus need more range to hit them all. (The skills should probably also be renamed somehow since the hierarchy won't apply to them either.)