EVE General Discussion

I. e. The goal is to remove player owned starbases. And other options like research agents (I haven't forgotten that little thing), and so on.

Maybe the new structures will replace all the functions of what was removed (but how I hate the idea of a new citadels structure spawning random datacores instead of having my agents), but most of them aren't aimed to single players or small groups. They are mean to to be a tool for larger groups.

So, thanks for nothing.
Some of your subscribers like to have options for playing alone or in small groups. It is always surprising how CCP seem to dislike that demographic of its players.

But you can play alone (and many are doing that without problems), there are of course consequences of making that choice, as there should be in a multiplayer sandbox game IMO. So live with them, and stop expecting special treatment for choosing a limiting and often more challenging playstyle.

Let's all not forget that citadels are meant as dockable structures for NewSpace.

I remember some rather odd person.

He advertised x-rated holoreels, which can only be bought via contracts.

He sold me 10 for the price of eight, 40ish million isk.
He even delivered them.

Totally useless, but we both found it fun and it made his day. :D

And anyone thinking it's a waste of isk: no poor, please. Thanks.

After Citadels can replace all the required functionality, is what they've said in the past. There is no hard and fast timetable.

Uhm... they said they'll phase out at the end of this year.

That changed?

If your concern is that new structures (including, but not limited to, Citadels) leave a potential gap for small groups in a future world without player-owned starbases, my suggestion would be to post in the comment threads of structure-related dev blogs or structure-related feedback threads and raise the concern. Or, as an alternative, you can contact a CSM member and ask them to speak up for you. (I realize these concerns have been raised before, by the way, but there's no harm in letting the team know that it's still an active issue.)

You can count on there being more of these dev blogs, feedback threads, and CSM discussions with our developers before any major change like removing player-owned starbases.


I would say that "we don't know yet" is the fullest, most honest answer there could be, if we don't know yet.

Honestly, there's no reason those can't become service modules off of Citadels, or eve a separate deployable structure. I don't see that as really holding up the removal of POSes in any significant fashion.

There is a big difference between interacting with others or being in a small corp while having options to do your own things at the same time and, instead, having to be in a structure big enough to support the kind of gameplay that this vision of the game try to impose.

Take the idea of removing the research agents and replacing them with a structure in a citadel.

Current situation: you do it by yourself, for yourself and sell the result or use it.

The future version, if implemented as depicted a few months ago:
- the corp pay for a citadel upgrade that spawns random datacores;
- those datacores can be pilfered;
- someone must defend them;
- no idea of what will be the effect of the skills we have trained, probably the corp will have to give a roles to a member, something like a research manager (a very incompetent one if the result can be pilfered with ease):

An enhancement to my gameplay? Not for sure.
An enhancement to my corp gameplay (not so small, 88 people) or alliance? Seeing how few day the bounty enhancing structure was left active before deciding ti was more an hassle than useful, I doubt it.

Moon mining? We will get a nwe deplyable structure with no or very little defense capability.

Industry? Maybe in a citadel or maybe a separate structure with little defense capability.

And so on.

CCP want more assets that we will have to defend, but that mean having people active 23/7 and standing fleets capable to fight most threats. I.e. big structures. Structures that will fall as soon as the CEO/Directors get tired or bored.

Essentially most players will be replaceable ants.

CCP goal seem to be a game where people want to resub every few years to see the changes, but where people aren't meant to stay for very long on each after resubbing.




Special treatment like not having the currently existing options removed?

Nice analogy portraying Eve as an old Dinosaur. And we all know what happened to the Dinosaurs, right ?

They became extinct.





DMC