EVE New Citizens Q&A

After some consideration, I decided to give EVE a try. I'm going thru the tutorial, and kinda enjoying it so far. However, hanging in the back of my head is the fact that it is free for all pvp. I played UO back in its free pvp days...it was horrible...prolly gives away a bit of my age lol... I remember having to get a group together to do basically anything ever that was outside of town. I remember still getting ganked, constantly, and the dry looting, and the trash talk, and the corpse camping. Anyone who was around for those days knows what I'm talking about. As a result, it kinda burned me on pvp in mmo's. I work a lot, and have a pretty limited amount of time I can invest in recreation. I'm not going to waste time I could spend on something else more pleasant. Not that I completely hate online pvp...I hate the griefing that usually...in my experiences always...accompanies it.

So, question is, should I even bother with this? Can I look forward to similar experiences here? What does a person stand to lose in pvp? How prominent of a role is it going to play? Can I look forward to getting wtfpwned over and over and over, and losing like...all my stuff every time all the time? Or is there some cap on what you can lose on death? Do players have some degree of restraint and not immediately jack lowbies followed by the inevitable teabagging or equivalent? Thanks.

When your ship blows up you've lost that ship, when your capsule blows up, and you've lost that capsule and are sent back to your medical clone. Your other stuff is safe if keep it in a citidal or station. Highsec has suicide ganking where one or a few people try to kill someone before the police get there.

Lowsec and nullsec space has pvp a plenty as there are no police, cept the players themselves.

PvP is a main theme in this game, there is plenty of PvE with incursions, combat sites, data/relic as well as wormholes and drifter sites. But pvp is always a threat. People don't tend to grief or "teabag" PvP tends to end with a "GF" in local, means good fight.

It's what makes the game exciting you will find PvP has a very different feel to any other game. But if 100% don't want to die ever. EvE is not for you, but if you want to actually work to survive. Then yer, it may be.

If you are already on a downer with the game, maybe you should have a rethink..

One thing that becomes clearer over time is that if EVE doesn't grab you in the first few hours of play, you might stuggle a lot to enjoy it and fall in love with it.

Griefing, yes it happens, but it's easy to find a quiet part of space where it'll very rarely, if ever happen.

Yes you can die undocking even as a new player, yes you literally lose everything you happen to be flying, the ship, all it's cargo etc. Even any implants if you get "podded". The only stuff you keep in that scenario is what you have stored in a station.

There is sadly a portion of players in the game that will repeatedly do their best to make every day a bad day. The secret is not to let them, by, as I said, finding a nice quiet system away from the hot spots, you see, these guys very rarely travel away from their "home grounds"

You'll see guys coming in this thread telling you to go join a corp, but even that could lead to a bad beginning if it's a poorly led corp as well. If you want to fly solo that's fine too. (Don't join a corp that is wardecced, or has a lot of wardecs all the time)

Ok, I'm painting a dour picture of the game, but you can avoid near all of the above quite easily.

PVP will eventually find you, but it doesn't lead as much a prominent role as some will have you believe, I have managed to live very peacefully in the same system for over 2 years, mining, missioning, manufacturing, exploring etc and only losing a couple of ships, 1 in a lvl 4 mission when I stupidly got up to answer the door (bye Mach) and once in a wornhole.

EVE is a fantastic game, but it's not for everybody.

I was attracted to Eve because of the economic simulation and play as an industrialist, currently with operations in highsec and nullsec. I lose a few ships a year - mostly in nullsec and mostly because I get complacent and do something foolish. Thus far my average annual losses are significantly less than my average monthly income - I look at it as a cost of doing business.

Eve is a balance of risk and reward. As a miner you can choose to fly a Procurer, which can fit a substantial tank and is unlikely to be selected as a gank target but has a small ore hold. Or you can fly a Retriever which has a much larger hold but is easily ganked. In either case you can earn enough to replace the ship (if insured) in a couple of hours mining. Likewise, lower security systems have richer ore deposits but CONCORD police response will be slower if you are attacked - or nonexistent if you are in low or null.

Since there is a cost to the ganker in highsec - they are guaranteed to lose their ship, most will looking for high value targets that can be easily killed - don't be that target!

Most things are made by players but don't wear out or go obsolete so the Eve economy needs destruction to balance production. Fortunately, a lot of players choose Eve specifically for the PvP content but you'll find most of them in low or null where they can shoot at each other without CONCORD interference.

[quote=Solecist Project]I'd like to add that when people call suicide ganking griefing ...
... they use the word wrong.

Suicide ganking is NOT griefing!
It's part of the game!

When you die it most likely was your own fault.
See the 8 golden rules of EVE.

Interpretation, interpretation, interpretation...

BTW, you're too late, he left.

In this game you have to be aware of your surroundings, like for example in Minecraft.

But you can find surroundings in EVE that are a lot less hostile than what you fear they are.

I'm not a fan of PvP in any situation but I live in null sec and am not part of a sov holding Alliance. I've managed to find a place in space where I can play my game my way. I'm not saying anyone else should play like me I just wanted to point out that you can make of this game whatever you choose.

This is a game and it should be fun to play. If you are having fun playing it then keep playing it. If you are not having fun playing it then stop playing it.

If you are looking at this game from an "RoI" perspective and not wanting to "invest" your time in something that does not have a good payback then I would say you are the one making things job-like. Yes you can easily make this game a job if you want to ( much like every other MMO out there ) but you can also have fun in this game if you choose.

I'm not trying to talking you into staying. I'm just pointing out that it sounds to me like you are turning the game into a job through your own viewpoint and expectations. If you carry that view point to another game I doubt much will change.

And what exactly is it you think the 2nd "M" stands for in "MMO"?

Emotionally speaking I am with you on this.

However it appeared to me that the OP had his mind made up before he even posted the question. So intellectually speaking I will say that regardless of what we tell him, he is going find what he expects to find.

So for him it is probably best that he just move on. Maybe down the road if he can come to the game with an open mind and let go of some of his UO PTSD at that point it might work out for him.

Actually nearest would be X3:Albion Prelude, because:

- you can fly multiple ships in that game (you can't in Rebirth).
- it's a trading simulator that uses a UI (in Rebirth you "talk" to "employees" who "manage" the work for you).

Anyway, X3:AP - not a bad game. Enjoy. X-Rebirth is ok too, just differently, and only if you use mods to get rid of the poor design choices.