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Why isnt any Capital Ships for PvE avaiable?

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Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#41 - 2016-08-28 04:57:13 UTC
Eeeeasy on Ziona gaiz...



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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2016-08-28 06:12:06 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I know Im not the only pve player who finds these "improve pve" types irritating. They never seem to discover the fact that the pve isnt the problem, its their own unreasonable preferences. They prefer standard mmo pve and want eve pve to be like that, you can see it in infinity ziona's mentioning of other mmos.

Yet EVERY attempt to add that kind of pve to eve has failed. People try the new stuff for a few weeks and go right back to saving the same ole damsel, because eve pve players arent standard mmo pvers and ccp isn't the kind of outfit that can pump out constant pve content like themepark mmo makers can. Ccp even trying tondo that is foolish.

As for infinity, its just like any outbreak style desease, sure it hurts for a while, but it will rage quit again in a few weeks, so jst toughmit out Big smile



Sure because they all know how to beat the Damsel in Distress, but introducing something new or something that actually approximates PvP into PvE just annoys them and sends them back to whatever they know they can beat.

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Pandemic Horde
#43 - 2016-08-28 10:53:28 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Since theres no apparent reason the nerds have for it being a bad idea Ill tell you why its a good idea.

This and every other MMO out there survives on PvE - our ability to enjoy PvP relies on the funds generated by non-pvprs.

I PvEd in EvE early on mining my first battleship, then running level 4 missions. Then null ratting and null anoms, WH rats...

A few times I came back to EvE after a break I tried PvE. It was intolerable, I think I managed half a worlds collide in a Vindi before I began to feel ill since Id done this and every other mission likely hundreds perhaps thousands of times. You see irrespective of what mission, anom, belt rat you,ve killed they all behave exactly the same. Even incursions and wormholes its the same thing over and over.

Those of you who have played LoL, WoW, EQ just imagine how boringly aweful it would be if every NPC in every zone instance or dungeon just stood there or began slowly running circles around you throwing various sized rusty daggers and casting level 1 frostbolt and thats EvEs PvE in a nutshell.

So what is there other than writing completely new PvE other than new PvE ships to keep people interested.

In the,end it does not matter about the nerds so emotionally invested in highsec jealousy that they would oppose all forms of improving the game for highsec only players and thus providing more subs and funds for all. All that matters is convincing CCP to dump the Band of Developers and Devswarm bias and get some competent leadership with businesd acumen.


PVE is only a means to drive players in their ability to PVP. If you don't like that then stay in high sec. Capitals in high sec serve no purpose as they are tools and heavy assets to fuel the broader conflicts of New Eden beyond the borders of high sec. Capital ships serve no purpose in attracting new players in a high sec state due to their skill intensity and complexity with the post Citadel changes. While you could inject to fly a capital properly, the experience behind it is simply not there for a newer player.

The OP clearly has no idea what they are talking about since Capitals are used on a regular basis in low sec and null for PVE.
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#44 - 2016-08-29 01:52:17 UTC
All this complaining is ignoring the true benefit of allowing capitals in high sec: watching the high sec merc corps DD the Jita undock 23/7
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#45 - 2016-08-29 03:32:39 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
All this complaining is ignoring the true benefit of allowing capitals in high sec: watching the high sec merc corps DD the Jita undock 23/7


This hilarious blockade you envisage would last for as long as it takes some of the lowsec & 0.0 entities to buy up Clone Soldier tags, fix security statuses and slam into Jita with a supercap fleet that blots out the sun.

Expect a huge, short term, increase in demand for heavy interdictor class cruisers.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2016-08-29 03:50:44 UTC
Not really. They'd all be in NPC corps in SeBo'ed dreads and/or Carriers.

Who doesn't want XXL Tornadoes on the undock, amirite?

Next thing you know, they're going to cry and cry and cry that LIF support is unfair because they're in NPC corps and it takes more than 24 guys to gank 'em and the lootdrop is subpar and they didn't turn a profit.

Amarr FW corp will camp Hek and Rens, tanking the faction popo with easy or undocking the mother of all reps because leet PvP in a Legion with two Nestors on standby simply wasn't leet enough.

And you know what else is going to happen? Nano Hels strolling around, not a care in the world-- whereas otherwise they'd carefully plan a trajectory and anchor POSses in space where one can actually shoot them.

Bears AFK ratting level IVs in Thannies, of course also in NPC corps ... oh yessir, pushing the little guy off the market is the new best thing; firesales on 4bil Vindis and Paladins.

It'd be a glorious symphony of tears for about a week or so. Then you'd be asking "CCP can we get T2 supercarriers? I'm bored with this ship, I think I need bigger rats for even greater payouts."

So wrong it isn't even funny. Concord protection for caps- for real?
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#47 - 2016-08-29 12:40:00 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:


This hilarious blockade you envisage would last for as long as it takes some of the lowsec & 0.0 entities to buy up Clone Soldier tags, fix security statuses and slam into Jita with a supercap fleet that blots out the sun.

Expect a huge, short term, increase in demand for heavy interdictor class cruisers.


I agree that Titans on the Jita undock would get blobbed, tackled, and killed right away.

I figured instead of talking about how EVE has never allowed capitals therefore it shouldn't, we could talk about why that is actually a bad idea.

Although if we are allowing caps in HS, that means CONCORD now has a superfleet to deal with criminals... but CODE now has dreads to take care of freighters (assuming they even need dreads)

lots of destabilizing changes would happen just so bears can have AFK mission boats.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#48 - 2016-08-29 12:53:41 UTC
^^ Concord don't need caps to take down anything we can fly, because of the way Concord works their current equipment is more than capable of taking down cap ships.

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Voxinian
#49 - 2016-08-29 13:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Voxinian
Mephiztopheleze wrote:



If hisec gets much more lucrative than it currently is, why would anyone ever go to the more dangerous areas of space to live and setup a little space yurt?


Highsec is already very lucerative. Give me one good reason to bring an expensive bling boat to low sec solo for pvp? The reward at best is some loot from an other pvper, the risk is losing an epxensive boat that has only ****** insurance. So to participate in pvp and go to low sec solo you would do that with some cheap throw away ships and not in the expensive ships you rather fly in. EVE is to corportaion/gang focussed for any solo player wanting to go low sec searching for bigger risk/reward. EVE needs more content suited for solo pvp. EVE is creating care bears by their own game mechanics.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#50 - 2016-08-29 13:19:17 UTC
Voxinian wrote:


Highsec is already very lucerative.
This is the only part of that post that is true.

Quote:

Give me one good reason to bring an expensive bling boat to low sec solo for pvp? The reward at best is some loot from an other pvper, the risk is losing an epxensive boat that has only ****** insurance. So to participate in pvp and go to low sec solo you would do that with some cheap throw away ships and not in the expensive ships you rather fly in. EVE is to corportaion/gang focussed for any solo player wanting to go low sec searching for bigger risk/reward. EVE needs more content suited for solo pvp. EVE is creating care bears by their own game mechanics.


This is the self serving lie people tell themselves to make themselves feel better about not personally being able to do something.


Other people are solo pvping in low sec just fine, with bling boats in fact.
Solecist Project
#51 - 2016-08-29 13:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Voxinian wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:



If hisec gets much more lucrative than it currently is, why would anyone ever go to the more dangerous areas of space to live and setup a little space yurt?


Highsec is already very lucerative. Give me one good reason to bring an expensive bling boat to low sec solo for pvp? The reward at best is some loot from an other pvper, the risk is losing an epxensive boat that has only ****** insurance. So to participate in pvp and go to low sec solo you would do that with some cheap throw away ships and not in the expensive ships you rather fly in. EVE is to corportaion/gang focussed for any solo player wanting to go low sec searching for bigger risk/reward. EVE needs more content suited for solo pvp. EVE is creating care bears by their own game mechanics.

Wrong.

The reward is the fight and the feelings from it.
The feelings of uncertainty and risking your assets.

With tnat short statement you exposed yourself as unqualified for the topic.
If you're too poor to not use cheap ships for combat then you're doing it wrong.

If all you see as reward is money then you got to be damn poor ...


The last line though is true, but not limited to solo combag.
Sadly you're supporting the downfall if all you care about is isk.

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Voxinian
#52 - 2016-08-29 13:29:53 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:



If hisec gets much more lucrative than it currently is, why would anyone ever go to the more dangerous areas of space to live and setup a little space yurt?


Highsec is already very lucerative. Give me one good reason to bring an expensive bling boat to low sec solo for pvp? The reward at best is some loot from an other pvper, the risk is losing an epxensive boat that has only ****** insurance. So to participate in pvp and go to low sec solo you would do that with some cheap throw away ships and not in the expensive ships you rather fly in. EVE is to corportaion/gang focussed for any solo player wanting to go low sec searching for bigger risk/reward. EVE needs more content suited for solo pvp. EVE is creating care bears by their own game mechanics.

Wrong.

The reward is the fight and the feelings from it.
The feelings of uncertainty and risking your assets.

With tnat short statement you exposed yourself as unqualified for the topic.
If you're too poor to not use cheap ships for combat then you're doing it wrong.

If all you see as reward is money then you got to be damn poor ...


The last line though is true, but not limited to solo combag.
Sadly you're supporting the downfall if all you care about is isk.


Assumptions with a demeaning tone, pathetic really. Are you 12, or an adult?
Solecist Project
#53 - 2016-08-29 13:42:17 UTC
So you have nothing to counter my words ...
... and admit that you're narrow minded and only look at the isk.

Well, if that doesn't make you the insecure child who identifies with imaginary spacemoney ...
... then, well ... hahahahahahaha okay.

Why not try addressing my post, instead of behaving like a carebear?

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Voxinian
#54 - 2016-08-29 13:48:31 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
So you have nothing to counter my words ...
... and admit that you're narrow minded and only look at the isk.

Well, if that doesn't make you the insecure child who identifies with imaginary spacemoney ...
... then, well ... hahahahahahaha okay.

Why not try addressing my post, instead of behaving like a carebear?


Learn how to discuss like an adult with manners and some social skills first. You are only making a big idiot out of yourself, but I am afraid you are not aware of that. In fact, you think that your anti-social comments are cool and everyone will look up to you. Again, pathetic.
Solecist Project
#55 - 2016-08-29 13:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Well, I'm not the one who refuses to address my points like he can't.
I'm not the one who uses SJW and carebear tactics to evade addressing the post.

The anger in you is clearly visible.

How can I be a child, when I adress your points ...
... and you're an adult, when you behave like a angry, insecure teen?

And no, you're projecting.
I don't write stuff so people look up to me.

It seems that's what you want for yourself, else you wouldn't behave like an insecure teenager.

So you care about fake status from isk and now this?

Address my points!
Like an adult!

I dare you! :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Voxinian
#56 - 2016-08-29 14:25:05 UTC
If you wouldn't be such a self entitled narcistic douche then you would have read my opinion in my first comment already. An opinion you obviously do not agree with and with that your narcisitc mind felt the urge toy comment like a self entitled anti-social douche. Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of trolling and being a douche.

What is wrong with EVE? Anti-solcial douche bags like you. Self entitled pricks that think they own EVE and the EVE forum.
Solecist Project
#57 - 2016-08-29 14:37:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Well, I've tried talking to you. vOv

Anti-social.... heh.
Says the wimp who thinks isk and "being looked up upon" matters.

Well, you added "douchebag" to the list of things you are.
The amount of projection is hilarious.

You definitely don't come across as tough guy.
No one is looking up to you.
No one cares about the isk in your wallet.
You're a loser, desperately trying to get people to think good of you.

All people see instead is that you're an angry, insecure manchild.

You can have the last word.
I know that the insecure types like you desperately need it to feel better about themselves.

So feel free to type whatever nonsense that helps your delusional ego from exploding.

I know you need it.

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Jessica Starblaze
Rookie Help
#58 - 2016-08-29 14:46:07 UTC
Voxinian wrote:


Learn how to discuss like an adult with manners and some social skills first. You are only making a big idiot out of yourself, but I am afraid you are not aware of that. In fact, you think that your anti-social comments are cool and everyone will look up to you. Again, pathetic.



Voxinian wrote:
If you wouldn't be such a self entitled narcistic douche then you would have read my opinion in my first comment already. An opinion you obviously do not agree with and with that your narcisitc mind felt the urge toy comment like a self entitled anti-social douche. Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of trolling and being a douche.

What is wrong with EVE? Anti-solcial douche bags like you.Self entitled pricks that think they own EVE and the EVE forum.


Oh boy.....

Not that I would want to defend Sol here, but you might want to take a look in the mirror before you point fingers at others.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#59 - 2016-08-29 14:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
This looks like a case of handbags at dawn.

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Voxinian
#60 - 2016-08-29 15:45:41 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Well, I've tried talking to you. vOv

Anti-social.... heh.
Says the wimp who thinks isk and "being looked up upon" matters.

Well, you added "douchebag" to the list of things you are.
The amount of projection is hilarious.

You definitely don't come across as tough guy.
No one is looking up to you.
No one cares about the isk in your wallet.
You're a loser, desperately trying to get people to think good of you.

All people see instead is that you're an angry, insecure manchild.

You can have the last word.
I know that the insecure types like you desperately need it to feel better about themselves.

So feel free to type whatever nonsense that helps your delusional ego from exploding.

I know you need it.


You pushed my button so yeah.