EVE General Discussion

Ok using the soviet Union cerb I get a tengu that wont outrange but comes out a little faster, 100 dps more, 100k more tank and is cap stable while the cerb is not.

So then since we have skill-injectors, and it is profitable to farm/sell them - can we expect the new players taking advantage of this to start showing up solo in low-sec soon?

Forgive the pun, but that makes my head hurt...

I mean, c'mon, think about that one for a second. We're on a thread talking about how people can litterally be lords over systems to the point where a newer pilot has NO desire to go there or get utterly pwned, and you want to add SP removal into the mix?

Yeah, that's a stellar attraction to keeping new players in the game. (sarc- just in case you missed it.)

Skill Injectors are marginally unbalancing to start, debatably so, but still possible. Adding fuel to that fire will definitely make it OP.

To be fair, people used to lose SP just getting podded (if they were idiots) - so it isn't *that* far-fetched.

edit: As long as the process was obvious and took at least, say....2-3 minutes? I'd actually be OK with the skill-stealing mechanic.

#1 you shouldn't ever get your pod caught unless you lag or you are inside a bubble in 0.0 - and #2 it would still give the aware player plenty of time to trigger self destruct to save their SP.

However - I think the fact that you can't even lose SP by suicide-podding over and over and over again is probably an indication of how likely CCP is to implement it

Holy ****, that idea is amazing! O:
Stealing life-time, literally!

OMFG!

SP is overrated, and not the main obstacle to solo players in low-sec...

Actual skill at playing the game is pretty much a requirement for *solo* PvP work - in large part because you need to be able to, at a glance, size up your opposition and either A) Attack them *correctly* to defeat their battle strategy or B) Run the **** away.

You also, and I'm sorry to have to say it, need to have fast reflexes. I didn't used to think this mattered much... But I've been in too many fleets and watched too many other people playing in person or on streams now... And it is physically painful to me to see the "average" reaction time of EVE players... I know much of it is due to short attention spans and getting distracted...but regardless of the reason if you can't react in *less than half a second* to things, you are not going to make it solo.

You can *partially* compensate for failings in these areas by throwing even more money at the problem - getting high-grade implants and maxed out off-grid boosts - but even then it is only *partial* compensation.



Additionally if you want to fight anything much bigger than a T3 destroyer or a faction cruiser (or do much PvP outside of FW complexes in general)... You pretty much need to be in a group like PL so that they are too scared to drop their capital/supercapital fleet on you if you start killing them. It is the sad truth of the modern EVE.

Now again - you can partially compensate for this by *knowing* who is who, and who can field such a trap - or by getting your time down so you can get the kill and still escape/etc... But these are not things one can reasonably expect from a *new* player.



So give them all the SP/equipment in the universe if you like - it isn't going to change the fundamental problems. I highly recommend that new players get out of high-sec and get into PvP ASAP. However I can not in good conscience recommend that the vast majority of them attempt any *solo* PvP of any kind - they should find a good *group* and fly in *fleets*.

There are of course exceptions to this - there will always be those with a natural talent for the game who can still handle solo combat even early in their game experience - but they are an increasingly rare exception, and even they won't be hurt by some time learning the basics of fleet/small gang warfare before they branch off to pursue a glorious solo PvP career.

Not an awful idea if we were designing a new, replacement game - but 13 years in is a bit late to change the fundamental systems upon which the entire game is built.

What? You think those people will just start honest solo work?

No.

Those link alts will be repurposed to the old falcon on standby. If you need to decloak it you warp off to preserve the "solo" killboard and if not then leet pvp ensues.

If I had to guess those link alts are already training into falcons if this was not their original purpose a long time ago.

From a carebear, gate camps, if gates werent camped so much I'd risk going in to search out anoms and WH, gas and stuff but alas I quiver in my rubber rain boots.

Oh, from a traditional perspective it's a horrible idea, entirely agree there.

However, once there was a 'market' price set between ISK and SP, thanks to Skill Injectors, it just has a calculable cost and could be done away with.

If you wanted to do a direct replacement idea... amount per amount, I can do some basic maths here... BASIC mind you but you get the idea:

Full SP injector is (for arguments sake) 1 Billion ISK. 500,000 SP's per Injector. That's 2000 ISK per Skill Point.

So, now apply ISK in that ratio to everything Skill Point based, you can even keep the training system 'curve' for the various levels of training. You just buy the skill.

Also, you get a certain amount of ISK over time that is equal to skill points earned over time.

Thus if a skill costs 10,000 SP to train to Level 2, it would cost 20 Million ISK to train. You buy it, poof, you have it. It's the Matrix "I know Kung Fu" moment. Keep in mind that you'd be getting tons of ISK per day for free.

It would have a large impact on market costs but eventually everything would self level since you can now directly trade for anything and everything.

SP's go away, and welcome to pure ISK-ville. It's possible, but again, a horrible idea for traditions sake.