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CONCORD and the monopoly on Violence.

Author
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#101 - 2016-08-31 23:41:31 UTC
Sol, not a smart man. Just someone who struggled & fought for the cause passionately and now lost the battle and now settled down with a job & a family, and possibly going through mid-life crisis lol (there's the hint for my age, maybe I'm even younger than you hehe. I just skipped lots of usual steps in the academic progress & got too smart too early & burnt out - started a PhD course like a month after I turned 21... :p, got totally sick of 'academia' eventually which I realised functions pretty much as the 'culture industry' I described above)

I was full on Marxist & quite active on/offline for such things - not a SJW, but someone who wanted fundamental change in the systems and the way the mechanism conditions people (as you may say).

My pretty bad parting shot at the Department Head Professor when I was leaving academia went something like this,


Prof: So you don't believe any social science research methods can 'prove' things empirically?

Me: Nope. I don't buy it.

Prof : You are surely aware that I specialise in social science research methodology and I spent my whole career devoted to it? and you are denyiing the whole thing?

Me: I'm aware that you get the junior lecturers to write a chapter each on methodology, put them together into a book, you write the introduction, put it on the required reading list, and sell them as textbooks.


Well that ruined the whole thing pretty much and my chance of ever reconciling with that institution again lol.


I do like you Sol, at least from what I saw in the forums. The ideas, vision, the whole thing with identity experiments.

I'm just sceptical that you can achieve what you want via convincing CCP for game mechanic change, even if you manage to gather vocal support from lots of players.

My bet is that something needs to be done in-game as an organised group, something more meaningful and better than what CODE does. One thing CODE has succeeded though is drilling into people's head that CONCORD only provides 'protection' and cannot stop your ship from being suicide ganked. But there's too much dank memes and self-parody and meaningless multiplication of messages & images there. It's not a real subversion or protest, but a running joke.

If you have some good 'operation' in mind, I'm all ears. For all I know you may be space rich and don't need anyone's support, but how much ISK/ships who can contribute are all secondary concerns - it's more about joining minds together to get something done. If you had a good cause, vision and plan, I'd be willing to support in my (limited) capacity.

Good luck Sol.

(I don't want to derail your thread any more - we were discussing fundamental game mechanic issues such as CONCORD, but somehow it all got tangled with RL social theories and critique on modern society :p). If you would like further discussions on this feel free to eve-mail me.


Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!

Solecist Project
#102 - 2016-09-03 10:31:53 UTC
Toobo wrote:
Sol, not a smart man. Just someone who struggled & fought for the cause passionately and now lost the battle and now settled down with a job & a family, and possibly going through mid-life crisis lol (there's the hint for my age, maybe I'm even younger than you hehe. I just skipped lots of usual steps in the academic progress & got too smart too early & burnt out - started a PhD course like a month after I turned 21... :p, got totally sick of 'academia' eventually which I realised functions pretty much as the 'culture industry' I described above)

I was full on Marxist & quite active on/offline for such things - not a SJW, but someone who wanted fundamental change in the systems and the way the mechanism conditions people (as you may say).

My pretty bad parting shot at the Department Head Professor when I was leaving academia went something like this,


Prof: So you don't believe any social science research methods can 'prove' things empirically?

Me: Nope. I don't buy it.

Prof : You are surely aware that I specialise in social science research methodology and I spent my whole career devoted to it? and you are denyiing the whole thing?

Me: I'm aware that you get the junior lecturers to write a chapter each on methodology, put them together into a book, you write the introduction, put it on the required reading list, and sell them as textbooks.


Well that ruined the whole thing pretty much and my chance of ever reconciling with that institution again lol.

You did well. I never heard about social science until a few years ago ...
... though i do wonder why you started it and then dropped it.

I know nothing about it.

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I do like you Sol, at least from what I saw in the forums. The ideas, vision, the whole thing with identity experiments.

I'm just sceptical that you can achieve what you want via convincing CCP for game mechanic change, even if you manage to gather vocal support from lots of players.
that's the one thing that is in your way.

I am quite sure you know roughly how it works ...
... and how to get it done ...
... so this is all that's in your way.

The system might have broken your will when it comes to this ...
... which should be a constant reminder of you doing what's intended.

And we both know that the system intends to break spirits.

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My bet is that something needs to be done in-game as an organised group, something more meaningful and better than what CODE does. One thing CODE has succeeded though is drilling into people's head that CONCORD only provides 'protection' and cannot stop your ship from being suicide ganked. But there's too much dank memes and self-parody and meaningless multiplication of messages & images there. It's not a real subversion or protest, but a running joke.

They failed considerably due to quite the circumstances and there never has been a replacement of leadership to guarantee that it's intended function is being carried out. They grew to what they all grow when only simply minded people participate. Fat, lazy, replacable. And at this point they're ripe, because they're useless as stats from CCP have shown.

"If you have some good 'operation' in mind, I'm all ears."
I have. I even have a resume i can show you. :)

"For all I know you may be space rich and don't need anyone's support, but how much ISK/ships who can contribute are all secondary concerns - it's more about joining minds together to get something done. If you had a good cause, vision and plan, I'd be willing to support in my (limited) capacity."i'm actually always spacepoor. Someone thre a billion isk at me recently, though, for one of my threads. He reminded me of someone i know who thinks he can troll me ... and after telling him he can't spoil me with isk or bullshit honey around (which he did lots) my mouth he stopped mailing me back.

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(I don't want to derail your thread any more - we were discussing fundamental game mechanic issues such as CONCORD, but somehow it all got tangled with RL social theories and critique on modern society :p). If you would like further discussions on this feel free to eve-mail me.

I actually think we're talking people mechanics and they apply to EVE. It's simply not an easy topic (despite the simple minded of course thinking differently) and there's no other way of talking about this topic.

let's find a time for realtime chat!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia