EVE General Discussion

Well I'll leave all you PvEers to argue amongst yourselves I suppose...


Though really of course you should all stop PvEing for money and start PvP - it is the best income in the game.

Using the time-honoured PvE Player's standard of exaggerating income based on the highest bounty tick I've ever seen and extrapolating that for a full hour and calling that my "average isk/hour" - I can confidently state that as a fair comparison you could be making 45 billion isk per hour, just like me declaring wars solo. So you all clearly suck at this

(This is based on a 1.5b isk drop from a navy raven which took about 45 seconds to kill - I even included 1.25 minutes to loot the wreck, wait out my combat timer, and dock up - just to be sporting about it)

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* It might take a day to train into heavy drones decently well, if you can already use t2 med( which by the OP fit he can). Faction heavies do a bit less dps but have better tracking and significantly more HP than the t2 versions.

* L4 missions do not pay the same as running havens. They might in theory but not in application. The first problem with L4 missions is that you get random missions. I can run havens all day long and consistently get the same amount every tick, give or take a few million.

I will break this down for you...

If im running L4 missions in a BS this is what that looks like.

1) Accept mission.
2) change resist and ammo for rat type
3) Undock and head to mission. If im lucky...and im probably not, the mission will be in this system but its probably in the system next door and i may have to jump two gates... in my slow as molasses BS.
4) Enter mission deadspace.... Oh look rats to my left at 40 Km, rats in front of me at 60 KM, rats to right at 50 KM. Accel gate 20 KM in front of me.
5) Put puting around chasing my rats down
6) Back to the gate
7) repeat steps 4-6 for X amount of rooms.
8) Possibly destroy some random structure or loot a random wreck.
9 ) Heading home...Scotty max warp speed of 2 AU! Seriously i can peddle a bike faster than this up hill in the snow.
10) Dock up, turn mission in, get paid.
11) UGHH different faction for this mission. Swap stuff out.
12) repeat

Running havens in VNI:

1) Check local - all blue
2) check intel - no activity in pocket
3) Faffing around in the dock to get ready to go kill stuff - nope dont need to talk to someone, change resist, load different ammo...or ammo at all.
4) Undock bring up scanner
5) Warp to haven
6) Launch drones , target stuff, start moving
7) Pew pew...pew pew...pew pew pew.
8) recall drones while aligning to the next haven
9) Warp
10) repeat steps 6 through 9 until thoroughly bored, tired, hungry, or a hostile becomes a threat.


Mission running is the least efficient way to make isk killing rats. There is far to much faffing involved. When your trying to make isk off rats, you want as much time spent actively shoot rats as possible. Missions you have to spend half your time faffing around with other BS just to kill the rats.

Of course their is the LP all the high bears claim is extra income. Sure if you want to spend even more time faffing around with that.

I make more isk in null accidentally, than most L4 mission runners make on purpose.

Yes. Most of null is undeveloped. I rat a high true sec system. It will spawn anywhere from 10-20 havens continuously plus half a dozen or so sanctums. The system i rat the most has ~40 combat anoms at any one time and they pretty much respawn instantly as soon as they despawn.

At peak in my system, there will be 80 plus people using it, at least half of those are ratting and i almost never warp in on someone elses haven. And if it gets crowded, some of us will just move to another system and have the leaders develop it. We actually have a few systems that are fully or partially developed for ratting.

Ratting before IHUBs use to be a pain because it was a lot of competition for everything and hunting stuff down... as much faffing as mission running. Ihubs were basically a license to print isk.

A lot of times ill run hubs because i cant be bothered doing the extra 5 minutes it takes to do a haven. Sometimes ill run trash anoms just for a change of pace. Trash anoms, to me, are forsaken, hidden, etc. They have a lot of small trash and t2 ships in them, so they are a bigger pain to run.

You got me wrong. It's not about ISK, it's about doing something in effective way - ISK per hour isn't most important thing in EvE in my opinion - but I read a lot of guides people say that they can earn even 1B ISK a day. So if i can only 20M / hour - I wonder what I do wrong.

You can earn 1 bil isk a say.... its going to be almost impossible as a new player and it requires either a lot of luck, a lot of grinding, or a lot of investment as a veteran player. Most people and guides give you the best case scenario and often exaggerate the isk/ hr ratio.

Honestly the only thing in high sec, that i know of that pays half decent is incursions and L5 missions and both are still quite a bit of effort for what they pay compared to other methods.

If you want to increase you efficiency at say missions... first make sure you are doing security missions. Then work yourself up to level 4. Ideally you want to max your dps with the min amount of tank required so you can kill everything as fast as possible.

And thats pretty much it. But honestly, its a much bigger pain to be efficient in missions than it is in pretty much any other profession.

That's exactly the point of my counting ISK per hour