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Magic barrier of 20M ISK / 1h what i'm doing wrong ?

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Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-08-24 08:23:17 UTC
Hello
I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game.
I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income.
I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-08-24 08:31:09 UTC
Missions & Complexes section can help you i think.

generally your income depends on the dps you are putting out.
running lv4 missions alone can be inefficient without the right dps.

also where do you live? HS i presume
also never tried to rat in null sec?

etc there are many options.
need more details, for example the ships you can fly etc
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#3 - 2016-08-24 08:36:31 UTC
Biohazard NML wrote:
Hello
I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game.
I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income.
I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour


The only thing I have personally tried that yields that level of income is ratting anomalies in sov null.

I am not the most efficient, but solo in a not-blinged-out drone BS I seem to manage around the same ISK/hour in bounty payouts. Maybe 25% more if I drop an MTU and run an alt in a Noctis. @ 25 million ISK per hour is a reasonable average - until you get cloaky campers and hot droppers which of course knocks that way down.

I suppose it is possible to break that cap if you can jack the DPS even higher but I suspect that would mean using a carrier?

I suspect there is a good reason why some players just do incursions to earn big ISK...

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2016-08-24 08:43:41 UTC
This guide should provide you with the info you require to get up to 200 mil/hr in highsec. Even if you are lacking the skills, ships and funds you should be able to take the info in it and improve your low income right away. Plus it gives you a goal to work towardsBlink
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-08-24 08:55:00 UTC
I fly Maelstrom - all T2 modules (including artilery and drones) and have a Noctis for salvaging and looting.
Can fly T1 Ships from frigate to BS (Minmatar / Caldari). I think i could train more skills that improve my DPS - which I can't
reach above 350 DPS including drones damage. (Alpha is ~ 4k)

baltec1 wrote:
This guide should provide you with the info you require to get up to 200 mil/hr in highsec. Even if you are lacking the skills, ships and funds you should be able to take the info in it and improve your low income right away. Plus it gives you a goal to work towardsBlink


Thank You mate.

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-08-24 08:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
You're being too honest.

You don't start the timer until you're in the mission and fire the first shot. You stop the timer the moment you hand in the mission. You don't count time to the mission. Nor any time involved in setting up your mission ship, converting the LP or salvage to Isk, or breaks between missions. You don't count the cost of ammunition, other charges or lost drones and you calculate the value of salvage and LP based on the best possible sell price. Without regard for any cost to get it to market, ignoring taxes and broker fees, or any losses when you give up on the 0.1 isk game and finally sell it to that buy order 20% lower. If you are unfortunate enough to lose a ship in a mission or a hauler to a gank on the way to the market, well those losses just don't count. Finally you mark up the calculated value by 30% to allow for the fact that you could have done it faster and more efficiently, but for the wife, gf, cat, brat aggro etc.

I'm sure you can squeeze 40M an hour out if you just lie.
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-08-24 09:07:50 UTC
20M /1h - it's not calculated amount - it is about a scale and scale is 10 - 20 mil ISK / 1h - not 50 - 100 M ISK
When I wrote "barrier 20M ISK" I ment, let's say loot only, excluding loses.
Gaius Clabbacus
Control Alt Delve
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-08-24 09:10:35 UTC
Nullsec anomalies in a 100mn Afterburner Navy Vexor. 15m per tick at the very least.
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-08-24 09:12:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Even if you are lacking the skills, ships and funds you should be able to take the info in it and improve your low income right away. Plus it gives you a goal to work towardsBlink

When I applied a skill plan that is added to this guide - that is for my character 311 days.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2016-08-24 09:20:42 UTC
Biohazard NML wrote:

When I applied a skill plan that is added to this guide - that is for my character 311 days.

The guide he gave you also makes all those assumptions that Trant mentioned. I.E. it takes pure best case scenarios and certain other magic tricks to claim those numbers. The reality is you can halve the numbers anyone claims highsec players earn regulary, and that is more likely to be a legitimate figure for their real income. Certain groups just have an agenda that involves making highsec seem too good.

However, mining & gas in low end Wh's your figures seem accurate. Missions you seem a bit low. Make sure the LP is valuable, some LP gets near 2k isk/LP in a reliable way and missions most of your income is in the LP, so if you are doing missions for the wrong corp that will explain it. If you can turn 50/hour on missions you are actually doing well in terms of sustainable missioning.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-08-24 09:27:35 UTC
huffing gas in 0.0 gives about 90mil/hour (1000 units of gas selling for 90k pu for like 1:06 hour). And it's about 1-2 weeks of training to prospect and t2 gas huffer. I'm pretty sure gas in WHs worth more? Or isn't it?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2016-08-24 09:39:23 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Biohazard NML wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Even if you are lacking the skills, ships and funds you should be able to take the info in it and improve your low income right away. Plus it gives you a goal to work towardsBlink

When I applied a skill plan that is added to this guide - that is for my character 311 days.


Get the mach first, the rest for running the burner missions can follow but the mach is the important one. Should drastically reduce your training time. Dont worry about using the mach early on in the training, you can get away with the basics and keep on improving as you go.

If you could provide your current fit I'll be able to see what you could get away with just by training into the hull.
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-08-24 09:48:54 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

so if you are doing missions for the wrong corp that will explain it. If you can turn 50/hour on missions you are actually doing well in terms of sustainable missioning.


I'm doing missions for Brutor Tribe, are there better corps in Minmatar space ?
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#14 - 2016-08-24 10:45:51 UTC
Biohazard NML wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

so if you are doing missions for the wrong corp that will explain it. If you can turn 50/hour on missions you are actually doing well in terms of sustainable missioning.


I'm doing missions for Brutor Tribe, are there better corps in Minmatar space ?

Yes, there are WAY better corps. This is something you have to figure out using two resources

eve agents
LP store database

Figuring out stuff in game yourself faster and better than others will make you more fun/hour and isk/hour in the long run.Blink

It is really a game of brains over brawn.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#15 - 2016-08-24 10:51:16 UTC
Biohazard NML wrote:

I'm doing missions for Brutor Tribe, are there better corps in Minmatar space ?

See where you can do Sisters of EVE missions. They are one of the good ones. You'll need to check the LP rates yourself. Remember to account for how fast a product moves as well, some items seem to have amazing returns but only 1 sells every 3 months
Artayick Nantes
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-08-24 14:35:18 UTC
If you can fly battleships, take a look at incursions. There are several communities out there to run with. Even with the more friendly/forgiving groups you can make 120mil an hour.. this includes insurance and ammo costs.. You will have some travel times when they move but beyond that... I've yet to find something in this game that makes so much isk for the amount of effort you have to put in.

The more aggressive groups is 150 to 180mil an hour. You can plex the account in a long day of running them.. or even with just a couple of days at a few hours a night.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#17 - 2016-08-24 15:41:10 UTC
For salvage, find an unsuspecting newbie, have him fit out a Noctis (or T1 exploration frigate if he can't fly Noctis), and have said newbie clean up the wrecks.

Newbie salvage frigate:
Highs:
3x Salvager I

Mids: MWD, AB if it will fit

Lows:
Mix of nanofiber and cargo expanders

Rigs:
Salvage tackle 1 and maybe a cargo space rig


Friend ship best ship.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#18 - 2016-08-24 15:50:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Biohazard NML wrote:
Hello
I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game.
I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income.
I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour


In additon Anize Onamaras burner mission guide baltec gave you, here is a pretty good post giving you some ideas about what you can do where.
A bit dated with the citadel changes but still very close.

Also, as has been said, try incursions. If you can fly Maelstrom you can join an incursion fleet. IMO Incursions are the BEST way for a newish player that can fly a BS to isk up to do other things. This is the best guide I've found.
Lastly, the best place to ask quesitons like this is not this secion, but rather the missions and complexes section. Here you go: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=248
Haidere
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-08-24 17:17:29 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Biohazard NML wrote:
Hello
I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game.
I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income.
I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour


The only thing I have personally tried that yields that level of income is ratting anomalies in sov null.

I am not the most efficient, but solo in a not-blinged-out drone BS I seem to manage around the same ISK/hour in bounty payouts. Maybe 25% more if I drop an MTU and run an alt in a Noctis. @ 25 million ISK per hour is a reasonable average - until you get cloaky campers and hot droppers which of course knocks that way down.

I suppose it is possible to break that cap if you can jack the DPS even higher but I suspect that would mean using a carrier?

I suspect there is a good reason why some players just do incursions to earn big ISK...


If you do the Sanctum/Havens (or equivalent) in a gila, should be much more than a decent BS fit, you should be making at least double that, ~50mil an hour is what I was making in just a gila.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-08-24 18:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Wondering nobody mentioned exploration yet ... it's RNG based per site but relic hunting in the right nullsec region can net you ~100-150M ISK/h if you spend about 4h a stint.

I'm my own NPC alt.

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