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Grindyll Jackdaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-08-23 20:08:13 UTC
I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable.

Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice.

So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.

If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity.

Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get **** blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun.

At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-08-23 20:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
If you joined FW, there should be plenty of assistance available in chat. Start asking there and hopefully someone will help.

The game can be very frustrating when you first play. If you don't find the thing that hooks you, that frustration causes quite a few to leave, even though the game is the greatest, once you do find they hook.

But yeah, it's not great at helping people find the experience that makes them want to subscribe, So your frustration is well founded.

What attracted you to the game? Knowing that might help to point you in the right direction.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
eveyn
#3 - 2016-08-23 20:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: eveyn
so.... what is it, exactly, that you want to do?
o.O
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2016-08-23 20:15:11 UTC
1)Calm down, cool off then ask for help in new citizens Q&A , it's backup in the index one up from here.

2) do not open this thread again as it's about to be set ablaze.

May Bob have mercy on your soul.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Solecist Project
#5 - 2016-08-23 20:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Hello and welcome to the forums ... I guess.

For literally everything there is, google helps, as long as you use the appropriate words.
For a lot of gameplay there are youtube videos available from CCP directly.

The point is that it's fun figuring things out for oneself.

The first opportunities sufficiently introduce you to the fundamentals like flying, shooting,docking, etc ...
... though all I personally needed for that was mass clicking everything possible.


Free hint: limitting the searches to everything post 2013 will definitely help.



Edit:
By the way, tens of thousands don't have your issue.
Can you consider that you're just doing it wrong?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2016-08-23 20:20:12 UTC
Also , f12 menu now has help videos on various topics,
these are also available on CCP's YouTube channel should you prefer them there.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-08-23 20:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:
I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable.

Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice.

So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.

If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity.

Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get **** blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun.

At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.

You joined one of the FW militias. You get access to a "Militia" chat channel, where you can chat with anyone within your faction. You should probably ask some of your questions there. Also, if you are a new account, then you have access to the "Rookie chat:. Great place for asking all your different questions. Furthermore, you should consider joining a newbie friendly corp.

As for the questions you have listed in here, then I can say that FW is a fine place for frigates and such. You will probably not be very successful doing solo PvP to begin with, given your amount of SP and in-game knowledge. So I will advise you again to find a corp to join.

While EvE could still use some UI improvements, it's not nearly as bad as it has been. However, EvE is still a community-based game, so you limit yourself and your player experience if you just try to solo around, like most other MMO out there. It can still be done, but for a newbie the game becomes so much less frustrating if you play it together with other people.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-08-23 20:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:


So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.


I think part of your frustration is that you don't really "get" Eve yet, as a concept. The reason you do not know the answer to the question you've posed isn't because it is not explained - it's because it's an inherently nonsensical question. The answer is, "Simultaneously both, and neither."

There is no such delineation in the game. Ship classes are not a "leveling ladder" that you climb - they're tools that you use to perform tasks to which they are suited. Just as you don't "graduate" from a screwdriver to a hammer, "Basic frigates" or "50 million isk ships" are not an either/or thing.


There is not much to explain, with regard to the militia. There are very few special mechanics that are specific to that particular system. You've basically just joined a permanent alliance war, and are now free to shoot and be shot by the guys on the other side. That's the main thing that happened. It didn't tell you to put on your Tier 6 PvP suit and queue up for the battleground because that isn't a thing. It's not a special mode of play, it's little more than a flag.

There are some special mechanics around the complexes and capturing of systems, but they don't wildly differ from many other in-game systems.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Maekchu
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-08-23 20:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
There is no such delineation in the game. Ship classes are not a "leveling ladder" that you climb - they're tools that you use to perform tasks to which they are suited. Just as you don't "graduate" from a screwdriver to a hammer, "Basic frigates" or "50 million isk ships" are not an either/or thing.

Understanding this concept is very important.

Bigger is not better. Ships are just tools as SurrenderMonkey mentioned. Note the following points taken from the 8 Golden Rules for EvE Online:

Experience matters, not ISK or Skills

* Just because some character is just a few minutes old doesn't mean he's a newbie. Many people have alts. The reverse is also possible, people come back after very long breaks, and characters are sold. You could see year-old newbies around too.
* Skills that take less than 1 day to train are short skills. Over one week is long.
* You're in this game for the long haul. Don't expect to do something meaningful in the grand scheme of things in the first day of your first trial account ever.
* All other things being equal (experience, skills), superior numbers more often win a fight rather than superior ship value. However, things are hardly ever equal.
* Total skillpoints count doesn't matter much either, it's level of relevant skills to the current situation that does. Yes, that does mean a 2 mil SP combat-oriented newbie could badly beat up a 60 mil SP industry-oriented veteran.

Bigger is not always better

* More expensive stuff is not always better stuff.
* Slightly better stuff usually costs many times more than slightly worse stuff. Choose wisely.
* Tech-2 is usually cheaper and better, but harder to fit. Sometimes it's not better. Other times it's not cheaper. And occasionally, neither cheaper nor better.
* There are no "solopwnmobiles" in EVE. Everything you can fly blows up if it's shot hard enough.
* With enough skills and experience, ship size really doesn't matter all that much.

Anyway, everything gets so much easier if you find a corp.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-08-23 21:08:01 UTC
eheheheh

you lack of only 1 thing...
... the will to learn.

there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game Cool
There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit.

learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info.
infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read).
Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions.

there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it.

Shocked

TL;DR you're lazy, move your a**
Grindyll Jackdaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-08-23 21:10:11 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
eheheheh

you lack of only 1 thing...
... the will to learn.

there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game Cool
There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit.

learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info.
infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read).
Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions.

there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it.

Shocked

TL;DR you're lazy, move your a**



Convolution =/= Complexity

Developers have the capacity to explain things. Instead they choose not to. I wonder what retention rates are for this game. Its ******* annoying to deal with that.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#12 - 2016-08-23 21:12:59 UTC
Maekchu
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-08-23 21:15:33 UTC
Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:

Convolution =/= Complexity

Developers have the capacity to explain things. Instead they choose not to. I wonder what retention rates are for this game. Its ******* annoying to deal with that.

The game ain't that convoluted. And the retention rates are fine, it's just not a game for everyone.

I don't know all the questions you have, but the one you've posted in your OP don't have a real answer. So how could this non-existent information be more easily accessible?

If you ask questions that don't make sense in the context of EvE, then you will have an obvious hard time finding the answers within the UI.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-08-23 21:15:48 UTC
dude i dunno you... but for me was pretty easy at the start.
info were everywhere!
found a nice person ingame that teached me some things. (only basis)

from there i moved up watching videos on youtube, reading the forum (even trolling post), playing, etc.
nothing very difficult.

i don't see the problem
oh and i posted even a couple of questions on the Q&A of the forum.

you won't find a manual if it's what you are looking for... by chance are you an engineer? that would explain many things Cool (no racism)
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#15 - 2016-08-23 21:16:01 UTC
We've all come from humble beginnings, my original trial account didn't make it to subscription. I ran around doing missions and I mined in an exploration Frigate, totally clueless.

I think why I stuck this time as Lulu was because I had someone actually take me and mentor me on how stuff sort of works. They saved me from another grind of level II missions and they showed me how to probe, how to find DED sites, and escalations. The game was far more interesting sharing bookmarks with a small community I met .. and well.. here I am. Smile

Maybe it's just not for you.

@lunettelulu7
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2016-08-23 21:20:30 UTC
I did try, you all saw , I tried.

Now then
*Cracks knuckles*

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Solecist Project
#17 - 2016-08-23 21:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:
Soel Reit wrote:
eheheheh

you lack of only 1 thing...
... the will to learn.

there are vets out there that don't know still the 100% of the game Cool
There are others people instead that spend their time searching for every possible solution/exploit.

learn is easy if you are willing to spend time searching info.
infos are everywhere, starting from uniwiki (maybe google it and start read).
Eventually find someone ingame that you are at easy to speak with and keep asking questions.

there is not knowledge for someone that isn't ready to search for it.

Shocked

TL;DR you're lazy, move your a**



Convolution =/= Complexity

Developers have the capacity to explain things. Instead they choose not to. I wonder what retention rates are for this game. Its ******* annoying to deal with that.

Excuses, because you're too low abilitied* to do what TENS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHERS were able to do.

Please tell Ralph I said Hi when you see him! :D



*(this just HAS to be a word lol)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Grindyll Jackdaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-08-23 21:24:50 UTC
So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#19 - 2016-08-23 21:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:
So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out.

Aight, we all tried. Can I have your stuff when you leave? Just contract it to my character.

If you want hand-holding, then you have a sea of generic free MMOs just to your liking.

o/
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-08-23 21:28:15 UTC
Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:
So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out.


this ^


and you are too lacking in some areas to search it by yourself
Kappa 123
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