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Tools that are in game:


Scythe
Scimitar
Basilisk
Osprey
Any frigate through battleship
Command ships
Orca's
Haulers


To name a few.


Tools that get used: All of the above. Refusal to acknowledge the existence of a tool does not make the tool magically not exist.


You are also looking quite the fool by suggesting that the only thing people in this thread who are telling you your idea won't work because it doesn't address the actual problems only sit and mine all day, and not.... maybe have low/null PVP mains with industrial alts. Further, you're devaluing your own understanding of the game by sitting on that pedestal and saying you understand it so much better than everyone else, a guy who has said that he can't be bothered to sit and do mining, or be part of the defense of mining because he has other things to do with his time, and because it's too boring and too do nothing for him to do it. Miners still go at it and enjoy it because they either socialize or just enjoy that slow paced game play. Who is better qualified to speak on the subject of mining?








Mining ships are at their best when working together, in a fleet, with other ships. Nearly everything about them is designed to work as a fleet, though yes a couple have provisions for solo work as well. But like everything in Eve, they can be used solo or together. A PVP fleet doesn't just pick one ship class and yolo around, because it does not work. A mining fleet also does not work when using just one ship class.



You also keep going on with this 'but people aren't doing anything' argument. Well.... that's what mining is. Sitting for hours doing nothing or next to. Occasionally locking an asteroid, and moving a pile of ore. Far and away it's a sit and do nothing activity. Both PVP and mining fleets also are subject to downtime. The difference is a PVP fleet either spends it sitting in station, on a titan or sov wanding doing nothing while waiting, where a mining fleet spends it in a belt between rat spawns, ganks and orca empty's.


You suggest that not changing them will result in doing this again in 6 months, I'm telling you for fact that doing it your way will do the same, because the core problem will still exist, and miners will still choose 100% yield over every other feature, and your ships will not be able to meet that. You understand the common theme yeah? Mining mechanics.


Mining in Eve is a horrid mechanic. You want to fix this problem? Then we need to push a complete redo for mining, not these continuous, 'Oh well it didn't work this way, let's try doing the same thing this way and see if it works!' There are pages of them buried in F and I.


But as a self proclaimed individual who can't be bothered with mining because the game play is so bad, I'm not sure you're qualified to continue speaking on the subject of what exactly mining needs, as you're trying to force a PVP'ers mindset on it. You want to keep talking about the mechanics of mining? Okay. But please stop suggesting you know what mining barges need. You do not.


EDIT: Dammit Drago, stop stealing my words!

So do you mean being able to fit remote shield transfers and smartbombs to your mining barges?


Or do you just want more shield HP/resists and drone bonuses?




EDIT
What do you mean, make them harder to kill and able to kill stuff?



worded poorly

if you can't tank to last 26seconds in HS you failed or were outnumbered between RR on the haulers and fitting a command ship with shield links it's not hard to pull off.

in low and null skiffs and procs can last more than long enough now for a response fleet to show up.

My guess: to make the barges easier to compare and so make your decision, wich one to fly easier.

Yeah, there's a reason why the Mackinaw is top of the list; AFK miners in HighSec.

And yeah, pretty much everyone does have multiple accounts. They Plex themselves several times over if you're doing it right.

I mine in Null. I only dock for Reds - and everybody does that. And yes, I put a DST on grid in Null. Why the hell not?

Apply the Drone Bonus of the Proc/Skiff across the line of barges.

Even out the EHP of the ships, currently I can (with some creative fitting) get a Skiff to around 120k EHP overheated and implants. Apply the same tank fit to Hulk, you have 21k...ish EHP. This is using T2 fitting, Genolution 1-4, and +4 CPU (I think it's the CPU implant...at work, can't exactly pull up my client ATM.)

Just enough EHP to survive a gank in a 0.5 of 2-3 cats, and the drone damage to discourage the non-dedicated groups!

Let's be honest here...minus LP and drops, everything comes from a rock ripped out by a mining lazer. If you **** with those numbers, you kinda **** the economy...

Increase yield, market crashes...decrease yield, market inflates.

either way the market will adjust

... did you just imply that a dst could not hold more than 63k

... you mean like a bustard naked that gets 67.5k now i may not of graduated the 5th grade but i'm pretty sure 67>63


the smallest one unfit gets 65.6k