EVE General Discussion

Hey, there's a subreddit for that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/controversy

Pretty slow though.

I don't dare clicking it ... i might like it... :D

What's funny is how you took two unrelated statements, put them together, and presented them as a contradiction in terms even though they're not.

It's kind of funny to see the same kind of turned up nose snobbery forumites have towards reddit (an obviously more successful place)as we saw with EVE (a niche game) vs WoW (as much as I dislike WoW, it is WAY more successful). Yea, I'm guilty of it too. But I grew up.


I used to be defensive about these forums like the "forum partisans' here, so I understand how they feel. Years ago it was other forums like scrapheap and I got into bitter arguments about why *the forum I prefer* was obviously superior. I mean, it had to be right? It was the one *I* preferred...

Years later I see what everyone was talking about. I see why Developers would rather talk on other media than here. This is not a nice place. No it has nothing to do with "everyone thinking the same thing" and downvoting and what not, MUCH harsher things are said about the developers (to their faces so to speak) on Reddit and Twitter and whatever. I see daily calls for Fozzie to be fired and tried for treason everyday on Reddit lol. No, it has nothing to do with reddit, this place can just be awful sometimes. I was knee deep in it up till last year, now I just use the ignore function and forget that the truly bad people exist...until someone quotes them...grrr.

And plenty of us talk with people we don't get along with and don't get downvoted into oblivion, that's just one of those myths non-reddit folk like to hang on to, i'ts the new version of "TenBux" (old school forumites know what I mean).

The plain fact is that in many aspects (sometimes including it's regular posters, and it's regular topics like ganking), these forums suck and lots of people are discovering that Reddit is a better experience overall.
Hell, as I type this I am having to remind myself to select all and copy just in case I end up at the "we got ganked" page, whereas on reddit I haven't had any such glitches. Some of the suckage is unavoidable (it's an official forum for a game developer so there have to be rules). But the rest of it .....

If you call smack talking, trolling, and BS such as but not limited to:

* "My carrier was fit with the following..." ( followed by LOLing at a fit)
* " Alliance X is so bad..." ( followed by LOLing at an alliance)
*" Blah Blah Titan down..." ( followed by chest beating and smack talking)
*"Alliance x blues alliance Y blobs alliance A" ( followed by blobbing comments, smack, and chest beating)

Im not saying any of this is bad. I get a lot of my actual in game news from reddit. Its like reading a newspaper meshed with a tabloid. But the productive discussions in reddit are very limited and troll posting is only moderated by the users themselves. Also in reddit if people do not agree with you, one of the herd, you get downvoted to oblivion. So only the popular side of any story is really shown while the controversial side is quickly hushed.

The forums on the other, allow players to ask questions and discuss the actual game mechanics and game play. Politics are non existent in most sub forums. Troll posting is usually removed fairly quickly. Also these forums are much more liberal in general than game forums for most games. You are allowed to criticize the game constructively, in forums for other games, the mods just delete the threads and posts. Here they are locked and a mod will quote the reason it was locked. Other games its just deleted( and in some you get autobanned for anything from an hour to a week on the forums if your thread gets deleted)

That said, ive been a player of eve for nearly a decade, and the forums are more heavily moderated now than they were when i started playing. Trolls have got entire threads locked when the OP was something constructive. And unless the game mechanic or feature was introduced in the last year, you always have a chance of getting a thread locked. I mean we been discussing the game for 10 years, every topic has been covered with a fine tooth comb.

Is this forum over moderated? Yes a little bit. Mostly in terms of locking duplicate threads. The cloaky camping thread is a prime example. If i want to discuss cloaky camping i have to do it in that thread or risk my thread being locked. The thread is nearly 200 pages long the last time i looked. No productive discussions take place in that thread because its so long. Any post can be made to any one of the hundreds of suggestions or thoughts on it. You lose all context of what someone is posting even if they quote and posting something new your not going to read all those post anyway.

Some redundant threads that get locked like " How long does my ticket take", rants, troll threads, etc should be locked right away. But the duplicate thread and spam reasons should be used a bit less than they are. Players want to discuss a topic freshly ever so often without rehashing some thread from a couple a of months of ago.

Most of the people that complain about this forums moderation simply want to trash post unmoderated. They arent allowed so they went elsewhere. I have never had a thread locked nor a post banned( and i hope this isnt my first) and i dont find it so restrictive that its not worth posting here, nor do i have a hard time avoiding my threads and post being locked/ deleted. Some people are just crap at following rules even when the ISDs tell them which rules they are violating and an explanation of that rule is given.

Reddit is for discussing players and their actions, forums are for discussing the actual game and CCP's actions. Its like the fiction and non fiction at the library. You dont browse the dime novels( Reddit) if you are looking to learn about "M Theory"( Forums)

How are they not?

You complained about a certain male mindset you dislike ...
... which is exactly the mindset easily found on reddit and /r/eve specifically.

Can you actually explain that?

thanks for taking the time to do that elaborate answer. I partially agree with what you say, as it is too black /white and a bit exaggerated. For example the best post about the new weapon accuracy score I found R/EVE. Also the discussions of CCP Quantums reports are just as good on R/EVE as on here. Again my main problem with these forums is the lack of ability to filter out the pure emotion whine posts without any content in them (Perhaps I don't want to block everyone, but just get to the good posts on topic). And these posts are not rare on the forums unfortunately.

That's interesting and actually surprising.

Ah well.

I still don't really have a comeback for this one!

Touché Redditor

Where did I say that? As i am fine with redundant threads being locked, your statement surprises me. Went through my last 6 posts and found nowhere where I said that.... I am not a native speaker, so perhaps a clumsy formulation from my side?

Edit: if it is the part where I say there are fewer restrictions on R/EVE, that was about not being able to post KM here outside of C&M and then you really read to much into that sentence.