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Navy issue battlecruisers

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#101 - 2012-01-04 09:02:57 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Really don't get the "nerf drake/cane/harb because XXX sucks" crowd. The tier 2 BC's are very well-balanced IMO, Myrm might be slightly underwhelming, but that's not due to the other 3 ships, more to do with the current state of the game.

Also, fail logic is fail. IMO, most BS can do the tank and spank role better than tier 2 BC (more EHP more DPS) therefore BS should be nerfed too amirite? And let's not forget about capitals, those have even bigger EHP and more DPS than tier 2 BC's. In fact, let's make ALL ships have the same EHP and DPS, regardless of ship size, that would be 'balanced' amirite?

Let me tell you a little story:

Long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away, CCP introduced a whole new class of battlecruisers. Back then, everyone thought, "WOW hurricane, WOW myrmidon, WOW harbinger, meh PVE drake poo poo"... Since that mythical time when tier 2 battlecruisers were introduced, we've seen myrm drone bandwidth nerf, nano-balancing, scorch OP buff, AC OP buff... Those were the days when flying a drake meant you were a PVE noob. Since then, we have had no changes to the drake, while the mindset of people playing have changed according to buffs/nerfs to the other races.

So all of a sudden, people start realizing the drake is actually a pretty damn good ship, and therefore must be nerfed? Give me a break. Maybe the other ships should be looked at again, seeing as how the drake has not been as greatly affected by all the changes in the past.

Also, my heart says YES to navy/faction/t2 drake, but my head says NO. You should be ashamed of yourself.


A few comments:
- The BC shield recharge nerf hit the Drake's tank quite hard.
- "You hit for 0.01 damage" ad naseum doesn't happen anymore. This greatly increased the range of **** you could feasibly engage with your Drake.
- The nano Drake took a big hit. :(
- The nano damp Drake took a big hit. :(
- The Drake has always been better than the Myrm. It was even better than the infamous 5 Ogre Myrm (way better in fact).

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Salvia Olima
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-01-04 11:39:26 UTC
IMHO a corvette class should be more fun: with a role ability to fit a webbing-sphere generator (much like the HIC bubble), backdraw is targeting disabled while websphere is active.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#103 - 2012-01-04 12:00:28 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Really don't get the "nerf drake/cane/harb because XXX sucks" crowd. The tier 2 BC's are very well-balanced IMO, Myrm might be slightly underwhelming, but that's not due to the other 3 ships, more to do with the current state of the game.

Also, fail logic is fail. IMO, most BS can do the tank and spank role better than tier 2 BC (more EHP more DPS) therefore BS should be nerfed too amirite?


You fail to notice battleships being slow. Tier 2 battlecruisers are as fast as tier 1's while being plain better in every aspect. Make tier2 slower and they will become really interesting. Hell, I might even start using Drake myself - atm it's like playing on easy mode.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.

Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2012-01-04 12:46:24 UTC
It's not the speed. It's the mass.
Destroyers have about 50% higher mass then frigates but BC's have about the same mass as cruisers which gives them similar mobility (both MWD speed and manoevrablility)

BC's are very strong not because of their EHP/DPS ability, but because of their EHP/DPS/mobility/range, mostly/especially the builds that take advantage of this mobility. They're also very strong in their versatility due to high slot amount and grid/CPU/cap for medium sized modules. These things should be possible ofcourse, but not to the extend that they obsolete too much other ships/fittings.

TL,DR: increase BC mass by 50%, then we'll talk navy issues. Fix tier 1 BC's while you're at it.