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Lenny Kravitz2 interview by Rhivre
What do you think?

Let it come, seems fun.

This was one of my points tbh, one of the answers Lenny gave on reddit was that he wasnt trying to get rid of the main trade hubs, so, for me, the two statements dont match.

The "I want to create peripheral hubs to service people in LS and NS" does not go along with "I am blowing up the Fortizars in The Forge".

My suspicion is that he wants the HS Fortizar owners to come in and work with him on the other hubs (and, I think he said as much):



So, from that, it reads more like a coercion than anything else.

As I said (I think) on Friday, if someone wants to go "I am going to blow up all the fortizars, because, well...I can", thats one thing, but, trying to put an "I am doing it for the good of Eve" angle on it is weird.


I have nothing inherently against more mini hubs in Eve, I have spent enough time myself trading in various HS mini-hubs, and, more locations to buy and sell from is always good, but, Jita is the Walmart or cash and carry of Eve, as are the other main hubs. You go in there, buy stuff cheap, ship it out, sell for more, or, as some do, scour the universe for underpriced stuff (because it doesnt move at its current location), move it into jita, sell it at a markup.

This will continue regardless of whether there are a load of other locations being created for local customers, you need a central location (or 4) where you can reliably restock anything you want. Where those locations are may change over time, but there will always be distribution locations.

I am going to write an "In defense of trade hubs" at some point :)

My guess would be he's seeking power, not ISK.

Well, so far 2 have been attacked, 1 died, and one is fully repped.

This is what I consistently advice to new traders - ride on the big boys doing big things. You may not agree with what Lenny's doing or even trust his explanations or whatever, but he's funding stuff that results in destruction and market reactions (minor or major, whatever it may be).

You interpret the situation as you wish, positive or negative or whatever, but when there is focused & funded destruction with purpose, and a deep pocket pushing for certain market agenda - there shall be market opportunity. It's good times.

There's been a fair few Fortizars shut down near Dodixie, and new ones keep popping up.

This doesn't bother me. I'll continue to offshore at other people's citadels and they can have a pittance for the service. Just set up ten billion in buy orders from the new Fortizar, which nets the builder a cool 20 million ISK - a little over one one-thousandth of their costs back. They need another eleven trillion in buy orders to be placed to get ahead at all.

If Lenny's crusade is executed seriously, it means you have to replace your Fortizar every week, not sure if this really pays off ...

Newly returned to eve and I agree totally. It's obvious that trade has been restricted to major hubs. Outer regions are experiencing a deficit of mins and items but you cannot sell anything unless you drop the price to the major hubs. People are literally hauling everything to the hubs to buy and sell.

The JF are a HUGE problem, and the root of the problem is the fuel consumption to jump. It's ludicrous that you can jump from catch to jita for 35million! That should be a 300-500million round trip.

Additionally the concentration has been caused by nimble ships and warp to 0 jumping. It frankly does not take much time at all to get to a major hub from anywhere.

I hate to say this one. There is way to much high security. It is far to easy to travel from region to region. It should be RISKY to haul your stuff 12 jumps to sell. It should be RISKY to travel and buy mods etc. there is none of that. Will eve devolve to despotism and blockades? Yep. People will think twice about traveling from one region to another. Suddenly it might be worth it to buy from a local.

In my opinion all the races need to have central hubs spread out more. There should be as much 0.0 in between these hubs as around them.

I've got a question. If PLEX becomes locally-consumable, how will it change markets?
(Right now, you can consume it remotely from "Assets".)